[TheForge] allstates torche for welding ?? for Frosty

[Jerry Frost]

I don't Dave.

Saying that you CAN weld with it is a long way from 
saying it welds well or easily. In my experience it 
doesn't weld worth spit.

What I found in early experiments was to have the oxy 
turned up high enough to get welding heat; the 
pressure, flame velocity, or whatever you want to call 
it, is so high it blows the melted steel out of the 
puddle. To get it to weld I'd heat the join to the 
point it was beginning to melt then move the torch 
back, way back and melt it. It made for huge heat 
effect zones, mass warpage and cooked hands and face.

I was assured (hesitantly) by Lyle that the reason my 
torch didn't weld well was because it's an old model. 
Having talked to a few people with "new" model rigs 
told me they have the same problem.

I have electric welders, with a Hobart 120 Handler GMAW 
on the small end and a Lincoln Ranger 9 with LN-25 wire 
feed for the heavy stuff. I don't gas weld. If I needed 
to I'd pick up bottles for one of my oxy acet sets.

Brazing and soldering are different matters all 
together though, it does those in the sweetest manner.

Had I known it did such a poor job welding I might 
not've bought it myself. The one time I got seriously 
tired of listening to how crappy my rig was I 
challenged him to a head to head comparison. We started 
out torching 12" of 1/2" bar, then readjusted for 20ga. 
then readjusted for a piece of 2 1/2" x 6" plate. I was 
done before he got the tip changed out for the 20g. My 
rig melted the 1" cube of steel before his had turned 
the corners red.

Anyway, if you need a gas welding rig don't buy one of 
these. But for any other torchly duties you need doing 
these are hard to beat.

Frosty
-------------------------------
If it ain't forged
it ain't real.
Wrought iron is.
The FrostWorks

Meadow Lakes, AK.

http://www.artmetalradio.com/

From: <frogforge at earthlink.net>

> Frosty,
>
> What oxy pressure do you use when you are welding 
> with the Allstates
> torch?  There's nothing in the so called instruction 
> booklet that came with
> the torch, and I haven't had much luck when talking 
> to them.  I don't really
> have a need to weld with it, but I do get kinda tired 
> of some folks always
> saying you can't weld with propane, and I musta been 
> an idiot for
> spending that much money for a torch with that 
> limitation.  By the way, I
> really like my Allstates for cutting and the rosebud, 
> and the on/off switch is
> really a positive feature.  I think I heard about 
> Allstates  on this forum
> several years ago, and Frosty's endorsement rather 
> than the sales pitch
> convinced me: "Thank you, Frosty."
>
> Dave Smith
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