[TheForge] RE: TheForge Digest, Vol 36, Issue 52
Angels and Griffins Armour Supply
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Thu Jan 25 19:03:51 EST 2007
you guys are asome thank you for yor help.
chad
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: coal "ash" -supplemented wood heat? (Bruce Freeman)
2. Re: coal "ash" -supplemented wood heat? (Andrew Vida)
3. Re: Wood Stove for Shop heat (Andrew Vida)
4. RE: Wood Stove for Shop heat OT (Andy Gladish)
5. RE: Wood Stove for Shop heat-now hydro power (Andy Gladish)
6. I am fireman and a blacksmith, In need of a good sorse for HC
or toolsteel in 1" (Angels and Griffins Armour Supply)
7. RE: Wood Stove for Shop heat (Rick Korinek)
8. RE: I am fireman and a blacksmith, In need of a good sorse
for HC or toolsteel in 1" (Ron Childers)
9. RE: I am fireman and a blacksmith, In need of a good sorse
for HC or toolsteel in 1" (Ron Childers)
10. Re: I am fireman and a blacksmith, In need of a good sorse
for HC or toolsteel in 1" (David E. Smucker)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 08:25:26 -0500
From: "Bruce Freeman" <FREEMAB at pt.fdah.com>
Subject: Re: [TheForge] coal "ash" -supplemented wood heat?
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Thanks, Frosty. That's exactly what I needed to know.
Bruce
>>> frosty at customcpu.com 1/24/2007 5:34 PM >>>
Bruce:
If you're talking about metallurgical coal it's a bad
idea. If there's enough left to get heat from it'll
burn right through the stove bottom, even a cast iron
grate won't last long. This has become a part of local
lore.
The mountain range you can see due north of us, the
Talkeetnas, has major coal deposites but not so
commercially viable to develop. About 40 miles up the
Glenn Hwy. is Sutton where I used to mine my anthricite
heater coal. Another 20 or so miles up the Hwy. is
Chickaloon and Castle Mtn. This mine produced some
super quality metallurgical coal and the stories about
people burning themselves out of home and shop are
legion. There are actually signs hanging near the digs
warning not to use it for heating.
On the other hand you might be able to make a
refractory firepot and do it that way but I won't
recommend it.
Frosty
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it ain't real.
Wrought iron is.
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From: "Bruce Freeman" <FREEMAB at pt.fdah.com>
We get a lot of partially burned coke and coa, in very
small pieces,l in what passes through the clinker
breaker. We end up throwing it out. I was wondering
about the advisability of tossing it into a wood stove
and maybe getting out the residual BTU's and reducing
it to possibly a less hazardous ash.
Anyone know anything about doing this?
Bruce
NJ
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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:10:47 -0500
From: Andrew Vida <osan at netlabs.net>
Subject: Re: [TheForge] coal "ash" -supplemented wood heat?
To: artgawk at thegrid.net, Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer wrote:
> How bout mixing it in with the fines from the bottom of the pile and
> mixing it with water to form a burnable slurry?...pf
I'm assuming you are referring to use in a burner setup. This is what
some power generation plants use, but if I am not mistaken the fines
would have to be ground into a very fine power in order to make a slurry
that would pass through the jet and be properly atomized. That's a bit
of extra work.
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 09:56:11 -0500
From: Andrew Vida <osan at netlabs.net>
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Wood Stove for Shop heat
To: artgawk at thegrid.net, Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer wrote:
> Hey Andy;
> The critical factor in power generation will be the amount of fall.
> Check and make sure that no fish migrate along the stream.
No fish in this stream. Sterile.
> Running water wants to level anything in it's way, Make sure to harden
> your spillway and surroundings...pf
The plan would be to tile it with the large stones. along the creek.
I'll have to work on hos to move them. :) We're as the headwaters of
the stream. It is fed by hundreds of springs in the area and augmented
by the rainfall.
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Message: 4
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:23:16 -0800
From: "Andy Gladish" <gladish at cnw.com>
Subject: RE: [TheForge] Wood Stove for Shop heat OT
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Thanks for the treatise on wood heat, Frosty, lots of good info.
Odd that we'd be discussing this today...I woke up thinking how my mom still
complains that all the furniture she brought from her cabin in Michigan
still smells like creosote- we don't have that problem here. When I first
installed my wood heater, I thought that insulated stovepipe was silly, not
the way we did it "where I come from" and now I really appreciate what it
does: Great draft all the time, since the stack stays hot, and most
important no condensation which is the source of creosote.
Outside burners aren't so popular here, but there have been several notable
successes. Best design seems to be a small air space between stove and
masonry, hot hot hot fires once a day, and water circulating in the
masonry/sand jacket. That way you get the best qualities of external heat
sinks in a small enclosed system. The heated water supplies baseboards or
in-floor tubing.
I have a small wood stove in my strawbale house- the interior walls and the
floor are my heat sinks- 1" of plaster on the walls, 6" of soil-cement floor
which heats nicely from the stove and supplements the floor radiant heat
nicely. Also gives us a hot spot to cuddle up to, which is the only drawback
of radiant heat systems (if you don't include a radiator somewhere).
> Jerry,
> I'm in an area where there are a lot of outside wood burners. Most are
> constantly spewing out a think, acrid smoke that seems a long way
> from clean
> or efficient. I assume that this is due to 2 factors--first the
> combustion
> chamber is surrounded by the water jacket, keeping the combustion
> temp down
> and second, the stove is dampered down for much of the time.
>
> If you know of cleaner burning outdoor boilers, please provide some
> manufacture's names as I would like to consider heating my shop with an
> outdoor unit, but want to be a good neighbor. Thanks,
>
> Rick Korinek
> Island City Forge
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 07:25:47 -0800
From: "Andy Gladish" <gladish at cnw.com>
Subject: RE: [TheForge] Wood Stove for Shop heat-now hydro power
To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> The plan would be to tile it with the large stones. along
> the creek.
> I'll have to work on hos to move them. :) We're as the headwaters of
> the stream. It is fed by hundreds of springs in the area and augmented
> by the rainfall.
Hydro power is the shizznit, simply the best generating method of all...but
it's virtually impossible to get permits for almost anywhere you live, and
if you get busted you get treated worse than if you dumped a barrel of PCB's
in the stream.
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 13:33:47 -0500
From: "Angels and Griffins Armour Supply"
<angelsandgriffins at hotmail.com>
Subject: [TheForge] I am fireman and a blacksmith, In need of a good
sorse for HC or toolsteel in 1"
To: theforge at mailman.qth.net
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Good morning all this is my first post.
I am a fireman in northern Va and a black smith andI am hitting
a
big snag in a very important and special project for work. about 10 ago the
only tool company worth a damn that did not use chince dutle iorn tool heads
went out of busness. Now the ony company making a 6' new your hook is using
ductle heads and the pry bar inds counldnt open a coke can. I have been
reclying 1045 crow bars to make new heads for my co workers, but i would
relay like to use 1095, L-6, or as seires steel but cant find any in 3/4" by
1 1/2" unless i buy multiple stock legnths from allmetal forge in Atlanta
wich i cant afford on the shops budget. doe any one have a sugestion for a
vender or alternative matrial. The tool head is used to breah 3/4" ply would
roofing, doors and just about anything you want to put a hole in. I would
love to make it durable enough to breech a block wall.
thanks
chad
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:41:11 -0600
From: "Rick Korinek" <rickkorinek at verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [TheForge] Wood Stove for Shop heat
To: "'Sponsored by ABANA'" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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Bob,
I may have some solar heating options. I am not sure what the insolation
patterns are for my specific location but the house is oriented with the
roof ridge almost straight east-west and the large back yard to the south is
clear of trees/obstructions. We will be exploring this option before we
replace the roof with the thought of modifying the top of the southern plane
for solar gains.
I recall doing a search on "high efficiency outdoor wood boilers" 2 years
ago. One of the hits was petition by the EPAs of 10 eastern states asking
the US DOE/EPA to inact minimum standards for these burners to minimize
pollution problems while still allowing their use.
Rick Korinek
Island City Forge
Minocqua, WI
islandcityforge.com
715/358-5060 shop/studio
715-892-7425 cell
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Subject: Re: [TheForge] Wood Stove for Shop heat
On Jan 24, 2007, at 9:16 PM, Rick Korinek wrote:
> Jerry,
> I'm in an area where there are a lot of outside wood burners. Most are
> constantly spewing out a think, acrid smoke that seems a long way from
> clean
> or efficient. I assume that this is due to 2 factors--first the
> combustion
> chamber is surrounded by the water jacket, keeping the combustion temp
> down
> and second, the stove is dampered down for much of the time.
>
> If you know of cleaner burning outdoor boilers, please provide some
> manufacture's names as I would like to consider heating my shop with an
> outdoor unit, but want to be a good neighbor. Thanks,
>
> Rick Korinek
> Island City Forge
> Minocqua, WI
>
Rich,
There is some reading about outside wood furnaces here.
http://www.woodheat.org/technology/outboiler.htm
There are small towns near me that are considering passing ordinances
against these burners. A few of these in a small town can really ruin
the air. Do you have any solar heat options?
Bob
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:05:01 -0500
From: "Ron Childers" <munlaw2 at hcsmail.com>
Subject: RE: [TheForge] I am fireman and a blacksmith, In need of a
good sorse for HC or toolsteel in 1"
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Chad, forge an old jack hammer bit
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Subject: [TheForge] I am fireman and a blacksmith,In need of a good sorse
for HC or toolsteel in 1"
Good morning all this is my first post.
I am a fireman in northern Va and a black smith andI am hitting
a
big snag in a very important and special project for work. about 10 ago the
only tool company worth a damn that did not use chince dutle iorn tool heads
went out of busness. Now the ony company making a 6' new your hook is using
ductle heads and the pry bar inds counldnt open a coke can. I have been
reclying 1045 crow bars to make new heads for my co workers, but i would
relay like to use 1095, L-6, or as seires steel but cant find any in 3/4" by
1 1/2" unless i buy multiple stock legnths from allmetal forge in Atlanta
wich i cant afford on the shops budget. doe any one have a sugestion for a
vender or alternative matrial. The tool head is used to breah 3/4" ply would
roofing, doors and just about anything you want to put a hole in. I would
love to make it durable enough to breech a block wall.
thanks
chad
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:05:02 -0500
From: "Ron Childers" <munlaw2 at hcsmail.com>
Subject: RE: [TheForge] I am fireman and a blacksmith, In need of a
good sorse for HC or toolsteel in 1"
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Chad, forge an old jack hammer bit
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Armour Supply
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:34 PM
To: theforge at mailman.qth.net
Subject: [TheForge] I am fireman and a blacksmith,In need of a good sorse
for HC or toolsteel in 1"
Good morning all this is my first post.
I am a fireman in northern Va and a black smith andI am hitting
a
big snag in a very important and special project for work. about 10 ago the
only tool company worth a damn that did not use chince dutle iorn tool heads
went out of busness. Now the ony company making a 6' new your hook is using
ductle heads and the pry bar inds counldnt open a coke can. I have been
reclying 1045 crow bars to make new heads for my co workers, but i would
relay like to use 1095, L-6, or as seires steel but cant find any in 3/4" by
1 1/2" unless i buy multiple stock legnths from allmetal forge in Atlanta
wich i cant afford on the shops budget. doe any one have a sugestion for a
vender or alternative matrial. The tool head is used to breah 3/4" ply would
roofing, doors and just about anything you want to put a hole in. I would
love to make it durable enough to breech a block wall.
thanks
chad
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 25 Jan 2007 14:14:59 -0500
From: "David E. Smucker" <davesmucker at hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [TheForge] I am fireman and a blacksmith, In need of a
good sorse for HC or toolsteel in 1"
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Consider starting with 1.25 round drill rod and go rectangular from that --
it will have about the right volume per length. You can get drill rod in
either 1095 (W1) or O1 from Enco at good prices in 36 inch lengths.
Or consider burning the head off of scrap railroad rail and working in down
from there -- it is close to 1080 with the addition of about 1 percent
manganese.
Or consider using truck axle material -- most is still 4140 or 4340.
Or reforge jack hammer bits -- many are S7
Dave Smucker
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From: "Angels and Griffins Armour Supply" <angelsandgriffins at hotmail.com>
To: <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 1:33 PM
Subject: [TheForge] I am fireman and a blacksmith,In need of a good sorse
for HC or toolsteel in 1"
> Good morning all this is my first post.
>
> I am a fireman in northern Va and a black smith andI am hitting
> a big snag in a very important and special project for work. about 10 ago
> the only tool company worth a damn that did not use chince dutle iorn
tool
> heads went out of busness. Now the ony company making a 6' new your hook
> is using ductle heads and the pry bar inds counldnt open a coke can. I
> have been reclying 1045 crow bars to make new heads for my co workers,
but
> i would relay like to use 1095, L-6, or as seires steel but cant find any
> in 3/4" by 1 1/2" unless i buy multiple stock legnths from allmetal forge
> in Atlanta wich i cant afford on the shops budget. doe any one have a
> sugestion for a vender or alternative matrial. The tool head is used to
> breah 3/4" ply would roofing, doors and just about anything you want to
> put a hole in. I would love to make it durable enough to breech a block
> wall.
>
> thanks
> chad
>
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