[TheForge] ABANA is NOT dead...

Sun Feb 25 23:14:33 EST 2007

Dave, See comments in the following text.
Quoting Dave Mudge <dave at magichammer.net>:

> Tod,
> Where is that building? (Tulsa, Oklahoma) The IPE building is the in Expo
Square it is also the Tulsa County Fairgrounds.

and how much does it cost to rent for 3 weeks? Rental depends on the amount of
space needed.  American Airlines company pic-nic just rented the upper portion.
I will refer you to the Expo Square website at:
http://www.exposquare.com/index.htm

> Will there insurance and the local fire code allow open fires? They may grant
exemption for forges.  I can bet that bonfires are not allowed. Expo Square is
in the mid town area of Tulsa.

and > compressed gas bottles? The propane issue may be a sticking point The
mention on the website that cylinders are not allowed indoors.

  Can a group do there own loading and unloading
> or do we have to use teamsters?
Every body loads and unloads themselves. if you need forklifts there are rental
agencies nearby.  There are specific requirements that motor vehicles must be
out of the building and not running during events. There are agencies that can
arrange day labor also if needed.
The  Expo Square website has an awful lot of info and contact information.I hate
to make it look like I am dodging you but It would carry more clout if a member
of the board contacted them.
 If you need me to get some contacts in the fire dept to research local law I
can bet I can find someone to answer questions.
Thanks Tod.

> Just wondering
> Oh, and is it available in late June / early July?
> dave m
>
> On 2/22/07, Tod Estes <testes at medicine.nodak.edu> wrote:
> > I arrived back at the puter after a while away... Wow! Glad to see such an
> > active interest in the ABANA conf.
> > If you are lookin for a really BIG building you may want to check out the
> > International Petroleum Exposition Building. It was and may still be the
> Worlds
> > largest unobstructed interior building. It has housed monster truck races,
> car
> > shows the worlds largest gun show, sprint car races, oil derricks, Has
> power,
> > lights, bathrooms and concessions, parking and Tulsa is fairly cheap for
> food
> > and lodging.
> >
> > Quoting Carlton McKenney <Carlton.Mckenney at mindspring.com>:
> >
> > > And if you look at the county fair grounds of counties immediately
> > > around a large metro area they are usually cheaper, fairly large and
> > > close enough to keep the "civilized" amenities available for those
> > > that can't live without.  If you keep to within an hours drive of the
> > > city then you can draw on the metro area for day crowds.
> > >
> > > At 22:28 2/22/2007, you wrote:
> > > >Man jerry I never thought of a fair grounds this really is a good Idea
> there
> > > >are several in every state
> > > >Dan Scheid
> > > >
> > > >-----Original Message-----
> > > >From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> > > >[mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Frost
> > > >Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 1:58 PM
> > > >To: Sponsored by ABANA
> > > >Subject: Re: [TheForge] ABANA is NOT dead...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >From: "Saint Phlip" <phlip at 99main.com>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > On 2/22/07, dann at wctatel.net <dann at wctatel.net>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Phlip,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I think Dave Mudge is a stand up guy for being
> > > > >> willing to take on the
> > > > >> sometimes caustic banter from this list.
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree. And, I know on a GOOD day, my comments can
> > > > > blister paint ;-)
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >right on the money. Both statements. <grin>
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > But I'm going to give them a chance. Wanna help?
> > > > >
> > > > > Meantime, I've been crunching some numbers, and
> > > > > getting some
> > > > > estimates, and I'm betting, if they let me, I could
> > > > > put on a
> > > > > conference for no more than $150 per attendee, and
> > > > > likely less. It
> > > > > would include free camping, although if you want a
> > > > > motel room, you'd
> > > > > be on your own, and would likely include a community
> > > > > cook out. I'm
> > > > > sure I could reserve blocks of rooms at motels nearby
> > > > > for a discount
> > > > > for ABANA members- we (the SCA) have done this sort
> > > > > of thing before.
> > > > > But, I think I could get all the basics set up and
> > > > > included, and have
> > > > > luxuries readily available. More numbers I've been
> > > > > gewtting, the
> > > > > better it looks.
> > > > >
> > > > > Hey, all I can do is try...
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Saint Phlip
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >Group discounts are pretty easy to get if you can get a
> > > >few people to use the services. Before the 2005
> > > >Artmetal Shindig Deb and I called a number of h/motels
> > > >in Madison and all we had to do was mention we were a
> > > >group and THEY started offering discounts. From the
> > > >reaction I think we might even get h/motels bidding for
> > > >the business.
> > > >
> > > >It's the same with food and other services. The Alaska
> > > >State Fair in Palmer, sees half a million people
> > > >(almost more than live in the state all together) and
> > > >it tends to be pretty profitable. The only things the
> > > >fair pays for are the basics like: sanitation, temp
> > > >personel, utilities, paid public performances,
> > > >insurance, etc. Everything else, EVERYTHING pays the
> > > >fair, or at minimum pays it's own way.
> > > >
> > > >The big name concerts (analagous to big name
> > > >demonstrators) are pay at the gate and pay their own
> > > >way plus a % to the fair.
> > > >
> > > >In off season the fair grounds are for rent in part or
> > > >whole to all comers. (within reason of course) Heck,
> > > >they rent space in the parking areas as no utility RV
> > > >parking.
> > > >
> > > >There are permanent food vendors and services that will
> > > >happily open their doors if enough people are going to
> > > >show up. Then there are the vendors with permanent
> > > >spaces who will happily show for a large enough gate.
> > > >
> > > >Heck if it's a big enough event the carnival will set
> > > >up AND the Alaska RailRoad will put their commuter cars
> > > >in service for the run from Anchorage accomidations to
> > > >the fair grounds.
> > > >
> > > >The livestock barn is nearly 200' wide and half again
> > > >as long, constructed of concrete block and steel so
> > > >there is little concern for fire danger. Attached to
> > > >the main barn is the small stock exibit area, neatly
> > > >partitioned in concrete block with plenty of headroom
> > > >to set up power hammers and the like. The fair has
> > > >bleachers available for many K people. There are at
> > > >least three other large buildings that would be
> > > >suitable for vendors, demos and spousal attractions.
> > > >
> > > >Lastly, the Palmer fair grounds has a staff with
> > > >decades of experience coordinating large events and all
> > > >the logistics involved, including bringing people from
> > > >other continents.
> > > >
> > > >I'm not making a bid for a national conference at the
> > > >Palmer fair grounds but. . . I'll bet the gate fee
> > > >would be less, the facilities, food and services better
> > > >simply because the whole facility is geared to
> > > >conferences, shows, etc. AND it's free market.(mostly)
> > > >
> > > >Mi dos centavos.
> > > >
> > > >Frosty
> > > >-------------------------------
> > > >If it ain't forged
> > > >it ain't real.
> > > >Wrought iron is.
> > > >The FrostWorks
> > > >
> > > >Meadow Lakes, AK.
> > > >
> > > >http://www.artmetalradio.com/
> > > >
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