[TheForge] Sidearm burners

Thu Feb 15 21:01:28 EST 2007

I've built a bunch of Reil burners. They are really easy to build. I 
found Mike Porter's burners to have a little better conrolled flame, and 
were a fair bit more work to assemble.

Steve

Dan Brewer wrote:

> Take a look at Mike Porters book.  The burners are easy to build and require
> no electricity to run.  They get hot enough to meld steel in a forge and I
> get good melt time for bronze in my furnace.
> http://www.amazon.com/Gas-Burners-Forges-Furnaces-Kilns/dp/1879535203 .  The
> side arm burner works fine but you can get a lot more heat out of a Porter
> style burner with a lot lets futzing.
> 
> Dan in Auburn
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 9:36 AM
> To: Sponsored by ABANA
> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Sidearm burners
> 
> Rick,
> 
> I want to use one or more of these burners for my
> foundry that I am building, I have a great propane
> forge that has been up and running for years. 
> 
> I need to heat a carbon cauldron up to the melting
> temperature for bronze and aluminum. That is what
> sparked this thread, but I am thinking of the side
> burner with a variable speed blower hooked on it.
> 
> Jerry
> 
> --- Rick Korinek <rickkorinek at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>>Steve, 
>>Does your burner(s) have a means to adjust the
>>combustion air going into the
>>burner?  If not, you will not be able to restrict
>>the amount of air to get
>>close to stiochometric point and this usually means
>>excess air and lots of
>>scaling/oxidation.  A little excess air generally
>>raises the temp but too
>>much drives the temp down.
>>
>>I also use Larry's side arm style and have to
>>throttle the air down quite a
>>bit.  I don't have any instrumentation so I adjust
>>so flames have slight red
>>edges and open a bit more.  Helps to do in a
>>darkened shop.  
>>
>>Rick Korinek
>>Island City Forge
>>Minocqua, WI
>>islandcityforge.com
>> 
>>715/358-5060 shop/studio
>>715-892-7425 cell
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>[mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf
>>Of Steve Smith
>>Sent: Tuesday, February 13, 2007 6:05 AM
>>To: Sponsored by ABANA; frosty at customcpu.com
>>Subject: [TheForge] Sidearm burners
>>
>>
>>Jerry Frost wrote:
>>
>>
>>>A jet ejector type burner like the: Fisher,
>>
>>Porter, Rex's series, 
>>
>>>sidearm, "T" jet, etc. have the air intakes at 90*
>>
>>to the jet. A 
>>
>>>commercially designed jet ejector will induce a
>>
>>max of 29:1. (gas to gas)
>>
>>>Don't ask me why simply moving the air intakes
>>
>>makes so much difference 
>>
>>>to the induction rate, I don't have any idea. What
>>
>>it means for us is a 
>>
>>>more efficient and easier to make burner. If you
>>
>>build a linear you have 
>>
>>>to hit it pretty darned accurately to get a 16:1
>>
>>ratio for a neutral 
>>
>>>burn. If you build a jet ejector you have a LOT of
>>
>>tolerance to play 
>>
>>>with. I like easy. <grin> This is why such crude
>>
>>designs as the "T" jet 
>>
>>>and Sidearm work so well, there's just a lot of
>>
>>room to play with.
>>
>>I'm responding to Frosty's comments, but welcome
>>replies from all.
>>
>>I'm still messing with burners in a very slow
>>fashion. I've made maybe a 
>>dozen Reil burners and have been very happy with
>>their performance. I 
>>make the jet out of 1/8" brass pipe, aligned with
>>the axis of the 
>>burner, jet hole drilled in the brass end cap.
>>
>>I was pretty interested in sidearm burners when they
>>were first 
>>discussed. I followed in Frosty's footsteps and
>>experimented with a 4 
>>way pipe fitting instead of a sidearm. It was ok,
>>but not as good as the 
>>Reil burners, which I chalked up to not having a
>>smooth transition to 
>>the 3/4" body.
>>
>>Then I saw that Larry Zoeller had added a sidearm
>>'kit' (all you have to 
>>do is tighten things up). I bought one of these. It
>>came with a tapered 
>>mig tip for the gas jet, pretty nice setup and for
>>not much more than 
>>the fittings would have cost me. I recently compared
>>the performance of 
>>this sidearm burner to a Reil burner. Both are 3/4"
>>body with Larry's 
>>stainless flares on the end. I measured with a
>>thermocouple, both in the 
>>same, single burner forge.
>>
>>The sidearm was almost as good as the Reil burner.
>>Final temp was maybe 
>>100 degrees lower. This makes me think that the
>>sidearm is just an easy 
>>way to put the same burner together, and less
>>impressed with the mig 
>>tip. Sounds like this isn't correct--what am I doing
>>wrong?
>>
>>I'm at maybe 300' above sea level, neither burner
>>has a choke. Pictures 
>>could be done if important to the plot.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Steve
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