[TheForge] 4th annual Big Blu Hammer-in
Oak Hill Iron Works Inc.
oakhilliron at bellsouth.net
Thu Feb 1 14:10:16 EST 2007
Hear Ye!! Hear Ye!!
Mark your calendars for the 4th Annual
Big Blu Hammer-in / NC-ABANA Meeting.
Saturday March 17, 2007. Time 9:00 a.m. until??
Location:
Big BLU Manufacturing Co.
3308 Frank Whisnant Road
Morganton, NC 28655
(See map for directions)
See the NEW Big BLU MAX in operation!
Come with great expectations
a.. Demonstrations! - 9:00 A.M.-12:00 P.M. Plus some additional afternoon
Demos.
b.. Good natured blacksmith bartering
c.. See the NEW Big Blu MAX Power Hammer demonstrated in its original home
d.. Experience the newest techniques in artist blacksmithing
e.. Seminar level education opportunity
f.. Observation and discussion time
g.. Iron in the Hat to Benefit NC-Abana Scholership Fund.
h.. Barbecue meal with all the trimmings.
i.. Venders with product samples.
j.. Blacksmith Tool suppiers w/ An array of quality tools.
The Big Blu Crew, who has become well known in the blacksmith circles,
welcomes all to their facility for the 4th Annual Big Blu Hammer-in;
Saturday, March 17, 2007.
This year our featured demonstrators will be Amit Harleiv in the morning and
Johnny Keirbow in the afternoon.
Amit comes to us from Isreal having formerly trained for four years under
Uri Hofi. He is currently fully operational in his own arstic endeavor in
Israel. Demand has enabled Amit to perform demonstrations in several
countries and is highly acclaimed by fellow skilled artist blacksmiths. He
has a love of teaching coupled with the skill and charisma to bring deep
understanding to his intense observer.
Johnny comes to us from Murphy NC. Johnny is well known for his teaching at
John C Cambell Folk School and demos. He will be demonstrating more
traditional styles of forging.
The prime focus of the demonstrations is to not only present power hammer
and hand hammer technique; but also to point by point follow through with a
completely finished project.
So come expecting, come glean some techniques, pointers, and short cuts in
making beautiful ironwork that you too will be proud to display and sell.
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> 1. spit jacks (terry l. ridder)
> 2. Re: spit jacks (Smoky)
> 3. Re: Fwd: Sorce for wrought Iron (Bruce Freeman)
> 4. Re: spit jacks (GHS)
> 5. Re: spit jacks (Bruce Freeman)
> 6. Re: Fwd: Sorce for wrought Iron (Lance Davis)
> 7. Re: spit jacks (David E. Smucker)
> 8. Re: Identifying Wrought Iron (Jim Beard)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 05:39:41 -0600 (CST)
> From: "terry l. ridder" <terrylr at blauedonau.com>
> Subject: [TheForge] spit jacks
> To: theforge at mailman.qth.net
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> hello;
>
> in looking at various illustrations and photographs of a wide range of
> spit jacks, i do not see how these develop the necessary power and/or
> torque to turn a spit that may have a hundred pound hunch of meat on it.
> particularly the ones powered by fans in the chimney.
>
> --
> terry l. ridder ><>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 05:54:36 -0600
> From: "Smoky" <rick at smokyforge.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] spit jacks
> To: "terry l. ridder" <terrylr at blauedonau.com>, "Sponsored by ABANA"
> <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> I believe they were (some of them anyway) powered by a clockwork
mechanism.
> This would also keep the weights from just unwinding immediately by
slowing
> the winding down with a click every so often. I have seen reference to
> this, but cannot find it now. Have been looking, and can't find it.
>
> Rick Crawford at Smoky Forge
> Home of Lem the Wonder Mule and
> Mol ASS es the slow Donkey
> in the middle of Northern Illinois
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "terry l. ridder" <terrylr at blauedonau.com>
> To: <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 5:39 AM
> Subject: [TheForge] spit jacks
>
>
> > hello;
> >
> > in looking at various illustrations and photographs of a wide range of
> > spit jacks, i do not see how these develop the necessary power and/or
> > torque to turn a spit that may have a hundred pound hunch of meat on it.
> > particularly the ones powered by fans in the chimney.
> >
> > --
> > terry l. ridder ><>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 09:37:55 -0500
> From: "Bruce Freeman" <FREEMAB at pt.fdah.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Fwd: Sorce for wrought Iron
> To: <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <45C1B4F30200000B00087AE7 at gv01a67m.gv.us.pri.wyeth.com>
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> I wasn't there either. The message below was from Bruce Ringier.
Marshall Bienstock attended.
> Bruce (Freeman)
> NJ
>
> >>> wjec at verizon.net 1/31/2007 10:11 PM >>>
> Bruce,
>
> Care to give us a rundown of the Gitchner meet? I couldn't attend this
> year.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Woolley
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Freeman" <FREEMAB at pt.fdah.com>
> To: <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2007 8:28 AM
> Subject: [TheForge] Fwd: Sorce for wrought Iron
>
>
> Gents recently at Bill Gitchners hammer In at the Hutchisons Farm . A
> young
> man a woodworker from the Pittsburgh area showed up with about 3000 lbs
of
> 1 x 1 bar and 1/2x4 in various lengths . The remnants of a large fence
> from
> an estate in Pittsburgh area .A number of us tried this iron . It was
> discussed hammered on twisted cut cold bent and flayed open to expose the
> layers .
> The conclusion was 3 times refined nice iron .
> He is selling it and I bought about a 1000 lbs . His name is Reid
Crosby
> and his web site is _www.branchandburl.com_ (http://www.branchandburl.com)
.
> He can be reached there . I thought that there might be some interest
with
> the members of the Forge .
>
> The other Bruce from NJ
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> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 08:57:50 -0600
> From: GHS <GHS at execpc.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] spit jacks
> To: "terry l. ridder" <terrylr at blauedonau.com>, Sponsored by ABANA
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> terry l. ridder wrote:
>
> > hello;
> >
> > in looking at various illustrations and photographs of a wide range of
> > spit jacks, i do not see how these develop the necessary power and/or
> > torque to turn a spit that may have a hundred pound hunch of meat on it.
> > particularly the ones powered by fans in the chimney.
> >
> terry, I think the miracle of the wheel comes into play here. The meat
> is just rolling not being lifted. Reason would say that there is no way
> that I can push my Dodge 2500 by myself, but I can.
>
> For the bigger ones there might very well be some sort of gearing going
> on. As to the chimney draft powered one that I saw, for all I know all
> it might have been used for poultry. I only remember one set of gears on
> that one.
>
> Mike Graf
>
> --
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> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 01 Feb 2007 10:24:48 -0500
> From: "Bruce Freeman" <FREEMAB at pt.fdah.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] spit jacks
> To: <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> Some of the little things called "spit jacks" really aren't. Rather, the
just turn a suspended hook about a vertical axis. That has the advantage of
not needing balancing. Probably requires intervention by the cook at some
point to invert the meat, but that's no big deal.
> Bruce
> NJ
>
> >>> GHS at execpc.com 2/1/2007 9:57 AM >>>
> terry l. ridder wrote:
>
> > hello;
> >
> > in looking at various illustrations and photographs of a wide range of
> > spit jacks, i do not see how these develop the necessary power and/or
> > torque to turn a spit that may have a hundred pound hunch of meat on it.
> > particularly the ones powered by fans in the chimney.
> >
> terry, I think the miracle of the wheel comes into play here. The meat
> is just rolling not being lifted. Reason would say that there is no way
> that I can push my Dodge 2500 by myself, but I can.
>
> For the bigger ones there might very well be some sort of gearing going
> on. As to the chimney draft powered one that I saw, for all I know all
> it might have been used for poultry. I only remember one set of gears on
> that one.
>
> Mike Graf
>
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> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 07:30:09 -0800 (PST)
> From: Lance Davis <lance at bentoaks.org>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Fwd: Sorce for wrought Iron
> To: Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> What do you want to know about the Gichner event.
>
> Mid-Atlantic Smiths Assoc. MASA
> Sponsor of Bill Gichner Memorial Hammer IN
>
> Lance Davis
> Mid-Atlantic Smiths Assoc. Treasurer
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 10:49:56 -0500
> From: "David E. Smucker" <davesmucker at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] spit jacks
> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> There is an interesting one at St. Fackings, in Wales, UK (I may have the
> spelling wrong) It is also known as the Welch Folk Museum. There in the
> old historical kitchen is a spit jack that is dog powered. Mounted beside
> the hearth is a round cage wheel about 3 to 4 feet in diameter with a door
> for placing a small dog such as a rat terrier inside. A sprocket and
chain
> then transmit power to the spit jack itself. Didn't see it run, but sure
> look like it would work.
>
> Dave Smucker
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bruce Freeman" <FREEMAB at pt.fdah.com>
> To: <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, February 01, 2007 10:24 AM
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] spit jacks
>
>
> Some of the little things called "spit jacks" really aren't. Rather, the
> just turn a suspended hook about a vertical axis. That has the advantage
of
> not needing balancing. Probably requires intervention by the cook at some
> point to invert the meat, but that's no big deal.
> Bruce
> NJ
>
> >>> GHS at execpc.com 2/1/2007 9:57 AM >>>
> terry l. ridder wrote:
>
> > hello;
> >
> > in looking at various illustrations and photographs of a wide range of
> > spit jacks, i do not see how these develop the necessary power and/or
> > torque to turn a spit that may have a hundred pound hunch of meat on it.
> > particularly the ones powered by fans in the chimney.
> >
> terry, I think the miracle of the wheel comes into play here. The meat
> is just rolling not being lifted. Reason would say that there is no way
> that I can push my Dodge 2500 by myself, but I can.
>
> For the bigger ones there might very well be some sort of gearing going
> on. As to the chimney draft powered one that I saw, for all I know all
> it might have been used for poultry. I only remember one set of gears on
> that one.
>
> Mike Graf
>
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> Date: Thu, 1 Feb 2007 08:16:56 -0800
> From: "Jim Beard" <regionalchaos at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Identifying Wrought Iron
> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> Rowland,
>
> I went back yesterday at lunch. I looked all over but couldn't find
> any. When I took off, we asked one of the workers if he had seen any
> of the links. He said that someone came in who was supposedly
> re-landscaping their yard. And they bought them for decorative
> purposes...
>
> Next time I'll know to just pick it up if I'm curious about it and its
> at the scrap yard..
>
> Jim
> Eugene, OR
>
> On 1/29/07, Rowland Smuck <rsmuck at hughes.net> wrote:
> > Jim, I would be interested in a link or 2, I live in Roseburg so it
would be
> > easy to pickup!!
> > Rowland of Roseburg, OR 97470
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim Beard" <regionalchaos at gmail.com>
> > To: <munlaw2 at hcsmail.com>; "Sponsored by ABANA"
<theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 10:00 AM
> > Subject: Re: [TheForge] Identifying Wrought Iron
> >
> >
> > > Yes, thank you all for the information. I know that this topic has
> > > probably already been covered a hundred times over, but I wanted to
> > > ask again! I was especially curious about the difference in opinion
> > > I've read about whether wrought is good or bad to forge with. I know
> > > one of the local smiths I have learned a lot from went off one time
> > > about how excited he was about finding some pure iron. Not wrought,
> > > just pure iron. Anyway, I think I'll head back to the scrap yard this
> > > week and see if they still have the links laying around.
> > >
> > > Thanks for indulging me!
> > >
> > > Jim
> > > Eugene, OR
> > >
> > > On 1/29/07, Ron Childers <munlaw2 at hcsmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Good job, Albin
> > > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> > > > [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Albin
> > Drzewianowski
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 12:19 PM
> > > > To: Sponsored by ABANA
> > > > Subject: Re: [TheForge] Identifying Wrought Iron
> > > >
> > > > Jim,
> > > >
> > > > See my answers inserted in your text below.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jim Beard" <regionalchaos at gmail.com>
> > > > To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> > > > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2007 11:11 AM
> > > > Subject: [TheForge] Identifying Wrought Iron
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Howdy Kind Folks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Now that the domain is working again... I had a question about
> > > > > identifying wrought iron. Whats the best way to go about it? I'm
> > > > > assuming you want to be able to see the grain to
> > > > > actually tell, so cutting it would likely be the easiest way?
What
> > > > > about filing down the surface? Would that expose grains in
wrought if
> > > > > they were there?
> > > >
> > > > The most conclusive way for a blacksmith (vs a metalurgist who has a
lab
> > > > full of wiz-bang equipment) is probably a spark test. When held to
a
> > > > grinder, wrought iron gives a very distinct spark pattern: short
red
> > sparks
> > > >
> > > > with no starbursts. Get a piece of known wrought iron to use as a
> > > > comparison piece. Collect a number of samples of known steels:
AS36,
> > > > coilspring, old file(high carbon), etc. Then lightly touch each to
a
> > > > grinder and notice the difference in the sparks: color, lenght of
> > sparks,
> > > > amount of forking and numbers of starbursts. You want to apply the
> > same
> > > > amount of pressure each time, and do it in dim light if possible.
Now
> > that
> > > >
> > > > they have battery powered 4 1/2" grinders, you can do this test in
the
> > field
> > > >
> > > > (scrapyard).
> > > >
> > > > Another test which is much more distructive, is to cut a piece half
way
> > > > through and then place in vice and bend over and snap the piece,
the
> > > > resulting break will look like you had broken a piece of green wood,
it
> > > > would have a fibrous look to it. Try the same thing with a piece of
> > mild
> > > > steel for comparison. This test not physically practical in your
case
> > with
> > > >
> > > > 1 1/2" thick chain.
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm rather new to smithing (being beating hot iron once a week or
so
> > > > > for the last year at a friends forge) and as such don't have much
> > > > > experience identifying metals. Last week however, I was out at
the
> > > > > local steel scrap yard (I try to go once a month or so), and found
a
> > > > > few large chain links. The links were over a foot or more long,
and
> > > > > the metal was about 1.5" in diameter. The metal had been painted
over
> > > > > (i think) and was covered in a thick layer of dirt. I couldn't
really
> > > > > see the surface of the metal. However, it did seem like it had a
> > > > > grain to it. Almost like the surface was one of a tree branch.
The
> > > > > links look like they had been lap welded on one end (as opposed to
the
> > > > > middle of a side, which is what I have seen examples of..).
Anyway, I
> > > > > wondered if these were old Wrought Iron links..
> > > >
> > > > The distinctive bark like look to wrought iron is the result of
heavy
> > rust.
> > > > The surface layers of iron rust away, leaving the layers of slag.
> > Usually if
> > > >
> > > > the item is painted you will not get this affect, unless it was
painted
> > have
> > > >
> > > > rusting. Becareful removing the paint, if infact it was wrought
iron,
> > > > chances are the pain used had a high LEAD content. So avoid fumes
if
> > > > burning off the paint and avoid the dust if grinding/sanding off the
> > paint.
> > > >
> > > > > Also (I'm sure this is a can of worms here) but I've read some
> > > > > information about Wrought that says it was not as nice to forge as
> > > > > mild steel, yet I hear smiths talk about finding it and liking it
too,
> > > > > so I'm a bit confused. Is it easy / hard / fun / boring to forge
> > > > > with?
> > > >
> > > > Working with wrought iron is DIFFERENT. You need to work at a VERY
high
> > > > temperature - yellow into white. Also, you need to take the
direction
> > of
> > > > the "grain" into account as you would take the grain of a piece of
wood
> > into
> > > >
> > > > account when making something.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Thanks!
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > D-ski
> > > > Westminster, MD
> > > >
> > > >
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