[TheForge] alternate energy sources

[Grover Richardson]

Got a good size nearby creek?  Run piping to it and add a filter and pump.
So long as it is flowing, if you pump creek water (filtered) through a coil
in the shop, you will get cooling in the summer, and some heat in the winter
(depends upon what you call warm and what outside is<G>).  Summer is the
best time for it though, as the water temperature should be well below
outside temps.  Only the cost of the installation and electricity for the
pump.



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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 5:38 PM
To: terry l. ridder; Sponsored by ABANA
Subject: Re: [TheForge] alternate energy sources

Hello Terry -

    I have been thinking about this and have decided that if you need a shop

heater for a small shop, it might be sensible to get a small water heater 
and a household A-Coil for an air conditioning system.  Put a blower behind 
the A-Coil and viola! small shop heater.  As for the fuel for the heat, I am

still paying substantially less for propane than anything else.  By staying 
with one company and renting their tank, I get a summer fill price that is 
substantially lower than the current price nearly every summer.  They can 
offer this because they buy early in the year themselves and fill their 
large tanks for the year.  Just 2 days ago, I got 239 gallons delivered for 
1.45 / gallon.  Of course, our 6-1/4 percent sales tax is added on to that, 
but it still comes out much cheaper than other fuels.  (Way cheaper than the

diesel I put in my truck.)  We also pay 50 dollars a year for the tank 
rental.  They keep it painted, and in good condition.  I don't have to do 
anything with it at all but mow around it.  Seems to work out good for us.

    I have been thinking about a heater like this for my shop but jsut 
haven't gotten to it yet.  My boy is building a house and barn this year, 
and we are working with him every day of every weekend that it isn't 
raining.  I also just got a new job, so things have been hecktic here this 
year.  Maybe I will get it built before the winter is over.  I hope.

Rick Crawford at Rafter Lazy C
  Home of Smoky Forge and Lem the Wonder Mule
   In the middle of Northern Illinois

    http://www.smokyforge.com
     rick at smokyforge.com




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From: "terry l. ridder" <terrylr at blauedonau.com>
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Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 8:49 AM
Subject: [TheForge] alternate energy sources


> hello;
>
> i was hoping to get the biodiesel process going before fall and winter
> arrived but it appears i will not be able to.
>
> i figure that even if i had to purchase new vegetable oil by the barrel
> and convert it to biodiesel i would still be ahead financially.
>
> the biodiesel would be used to fire a crucible furnace and heat the
> garage. i am still working out possible designs for a forge burner that
> would use biodiesel.
>
> Subject: biodiesel urls
>
> Small Scale Biodiesel Production (PDF - 21 pages)
>
http://www.wmrc.uiuc.edu/main_sections/tech_assist/small-scale-biodiesel.pdf
>
> Welcome To The Collaborative Biodiesel Tutorial
> http://www.biodieselcommunity.org/
>
> -- 
> terry l. ridder ><>
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