[TheForge] RE: Housekeeping -- _my_ last comment. Well, folks, it seems we're all dishonest.

[John Husvar]

Hello, yourself.

It _never_ ceases to amaze me, Terry Ridder, your boundless rudeness,
self-righteousness, and self-aggrandizement.

Another amazement is your propensity for displaying them by flinging insults
at people you don't and can't know except by mailing list postings and
probably will never know otherwise.

Yet another one is your ability to make those people immensely glad they
don't know you otherwise.

I must admit, though, there seems to be high self-esteem apparent in your
writing. However, self-esteem is arrogated: Self-respect is earned.

On 10/25/06 3:04 AM, "terry l. ridder" <terrylr at blauedonau.com> wrote:

> hello;
> 
> comments below.
> 
> On Tue, 24 Oct 2006, paul wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I am an honest craftsman, to bad you didn't hire me.
>> 
> i really have to add that to the three greatest lies list;
> 0. i am from the government i am here to help you.
> 1. i will respect you in the morning.
> 2. the check is in the mail.
> and the new number 3 is:
> 3. i am an honest craftsman.

Example 0. 

You just flatly called Paul a liar. How rude!

> 
>> 
>> After our short discourse here, I think that I would chose
>> not to work for you.
>> 
> 
> probably a good call since i are one of those uppity clients who
> actually knows how to read and not only read but i are an engineer,
> b.s.e.e, univeristy of illinois urbana-champaign, illinois, so i also
> understand what i read.

Example 1. 

That's utterly rude too, using poor language to insult by parodying
self-deprecation to imply your target is uneducated or mentally inferior.

> 
>> 
>> You seem like the kind of client that isn't likely to be
>> satisfied regardless how much anyone does for you.
>> 
> 
> again probably true since i are able to read the building codes and nfpa
> codes and yes god forbid i understand them. yes sir, you sure do not
> want an uppity client telling you you are wrong and be able to point to
> chapter and verse in the codes to prove it. no sir definitely cannot
> have that happen. i mean pretty soon all the clients might start reading
> and a quoteing and all those honest plumbers might actually have to
> learn to read themselves.

Example 2.

Why would you broadly brush such an insult onto an entire craft and all its
practitioners?

Comment: There _are_ people whose custom is far more irritation than their
payment will ever be worth, if one ever gets it. No performance can be
satisfactory. You would seem to qualify.

Purely anecdotally, engineers seem to be highly representative of that
class, especially when they step outside their education.


> 
> 
>> 
>> Do it yourself or pay.
>> 
> 
> now see there you go again limiting the options. i can always barter or
> trade work.

With whom? All craftsmen are dishonest, you imply. No, you blatantly stated
it above. You're limiting your own options if you really believe what you
declare.

Who could you possibly trade or barter with? By your own words, you're
certain to be treated dishonestly. Certainly any craftsman to whom you said
that would refuse to contract, or barter, with you.

> 
>> 
>> Tough life.
>> 
> 
> i am truely sorry to hear that your life has been a tough life.

Childish attempt at turnabout noted, found somewhat less than even mildly
amusing, and dismissed. That's beneath you, Terry.

> 
>> 
>> I get paid the same, fighting or marching, but marching
>> is easier...
>> 
> 
> do not tell me that you can march and chew bubble gum at the same time.
> i was never good at marching, must be those two left feet.

Example 3.

Yet again you veil an insult in false self-deprecation.

Comment: You seem to be very cynical. You seem to have let your bad
experiences somehow turn you into what appears to be a small and venal
person, your impressive intellect and education notwithstanding.

I'm a, now retired, former multiply-licensed contractor who _never_ failed
an inspection or had an unsatisfactorily resolved customer complaint in his
life! That's not to say I've never made mistakes. I have, and still do.
However, I always made and make certain they were and are corrected before
requesting an inspection or submitting an invoice.

But, by Terry Ridder's stated _opinion_, I must have been and must still be
dishonest.

What phenomenal arrogance and rudeness!

Bye, Terry. Come back again when you can't stay so long.