[TheForge] housekeeping my last comment

[Ron Childers]

Per Bob Berryhill: "The anvil is a symbol of honesty". 

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Sent: Tuesday, October 24, 2006 9:52 PM
To: terry l. ridder; Sponsored by ABANA
Subject: Re: [TheForge] housekeeping my last comment

terry l. ridder wrote:
> hello;
>
> comments below.
>
> On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 xlch58 at swbell.net wrote:
>
>> terry l. ridder wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2006, paul wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It may be frustrating to have your children return home after 
>>>> beginning lives on their own, but your frustration with the 
>>>> condition of your home is no reason to insult honest craftsmen.
>>>>
>>>
>>> it is my opinion that the phrase "honest craftsmen" is an oxymoron.
>>>
>> Hey, blacksmith is another craftsman you know.   I would think it 
>> unfair to paint all of them with the same brush. I have many friends 
>> that are indeed honest tradesmen/craftsman.  At the same time 
>> professional certification does not confer upon anyone honesty, or  
>> integrity.  It does tell you that if the work is poorly done, then it 
>> is not an honest mistake.  While the mistakes that you cite might be 
>> simply incompetence or ignorance in a do it yourselfer or even 
>> general handyman, it would be nothing other than deceipt if done by a 
>> certified tradesman.
>
> having the misfortune to spend many hours in the state of illinois
> building and the state of illinois courts over tha past 10 years i have
> seen and heard many a horror story from home owners, day laborers,
> injuried workers in the building trades. poor workmanship and/or poor
> quality materials are a common thread. the only thing hiring a union
> plumber in northern illinois gets you is a high price. to have the
> perception that a union plumber is highly qualified, honest, and
> ethical, is nothing short of blind naivety.
>
>>
>> Charles
>>
>
I am an honest craftsman, to bad you didn't hire me.
After our short discourse here, I think that I would chose not to work 
for you.
You seem like the kind of client that isn't likely to be satisfied 
regardless  how much anyone does for you.
Do it yourself or pay.
Tough life.
I get paid the same, fighting or marching, but marching is easier...
paul

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