[TheForge] housekeeping my last comment

[schade at acegroup.cc]

it's sad that theforge has been reduced to beating up plumbers. We used 
to discuss important stuff like which way the horn pointed.

Bob
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On Oct 24, 2006, at 8:51 PM, paul wrote:

> terry l. ridder wrote:
>> hello;
>>
>> comments below.
>>
>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2006 xlch58 at swbell.net wrote:
>>
>>> terry l. ridder wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 22 Oct 2006, paul wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It may be frustrating to have your children return home after 
>>>>> beginning lives on their own, but your frustration with the 
>>>>> condition of your home is no reason to insult honest craftsmen.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> it is my opinion that the phrase "honest craftsmen" is an oxymoron.
>>>>
>>> Hey, blacksmith is another craftsman you know.   I would think it 
>>> unfair to paint all of them with the same brush. I have many friends 
>>> that are indeed honest tradesmen/craftsman.  At the same time 
>>> professional certification does not confer upon anyone honesty, or  
>>> integrity.  It does tell you that if the work is poorly done, then 
>>> it is not an honest mistake.  While the mistakes that you cite might 
>>> be simply incompetence or ignorance in a do it yourselfer or even 
>>> general handyman, it would be nothing other than deceipt if done by 
>>> a certified tradesman.
>>
>> having the misfortune to spend many hours in the state of illinois
>> building and the state of illinois courts over tha past 10 years i 
>> have
>> seen and heard many a horror story from home owners, day laborers,
>> injuried workers in the building trades. poor workmanship and/or poor
>> quality materials are a common thread. the only thing hiring a union
>> plumber in northern illinois gets you is a high price. to have the
>> perception that a union plumber is highly qualified, honest, and
>> ethical, is nothing short of blind naivety.
>>
>>>
>>> Charles
>>>
>>
> I am an honest craftsman, to bad you didn't hire me.
> After our short discourse here, I think that I would chose not to work 
> for you.
> You seem like the kind of client that isn't likely to be satisfied 
> regardless  how much anyone does for you.
> Do it yourself or pay.
> Tough life.
> I get paid the same, fighting or marching, but marching is easier...
> paul
>
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