[TheForge] Bronze

Jerry Frost frosty at customcpu.com
Sat Jun 10 13:00:10 EDT 2006 

How about using bronze tig welding rod for your stems.

Frosty
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "robert hensarling" <rhrocker at hilconet.com>
To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Bronze


> Sort of a "6 of one, 1/2 dozen of the other" type of 
> thing.  Also, I'm
> wondering if 1/16th" is a little thick for leaves, I 
> could save some money
> going a little thinner.  Rods for stems are really 
> out of site though.
> Thanks Bruce.
>
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Bruce Freeman" <FREEMAB at pt.fdah.com>
> To: <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 7:17 AM
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Bronze
>
>
>> I can't speak about bronze, but many non-ferrous 
>> metals can be forged
>> cold - IF you anneal them properly between forging. 
>> Copper is annealed
>> at a dull red heat.  Bronze would be to a lower 
>> heat - but I'm not sure
>> what.
>>
>> Bruce
>> NJ
>>
>> >>> rhrocker at hilconet.com 6/8/2006 1:34:36 PM >>>
>> In light of all of this, I'm wondering now if the 
>> 1/16th" sheet is thin
>>
>> enough to just cold forge, I'm just talking about 
>> leaves here.  The
>> stem on
>> the leaf, and the vine is another thing though.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Ries Niemi" <rniemi at fidalgo.net>
>> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 12:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Bronze
>>
>>
>> > Everdure is a trade name for Silicon Bronze, which 
>> > is C655.
>> > Its mostly Copper, with a tiny bit of silicon in 
>> > it.
>> > I think its the best bronze to start with- it 
>> > forges nicely, can be
>> tig
>> > welded, and is available in a variety of sizes and 
>> > shapes.
>> >
>> > Here are some places to get it:
>> > http://www.alaskancopper.com/
>> > http://www.copperandbrass.com/public/division/project/html/home.html
>>
>> > http://www.atlasmetal.com/
>> > http://www.farmers-copper.com/
>> >
>> > Learning to get it hot enough, but not too hot, is 
>> > the hardest thing
>> to
>> > learn- too cold, you get cracking.
>> > But too hot, and all of a sudden, you got nothing 
>> > but a puddle.
>> > I tend to turn the lights down, and look for the 
>> > slightest red glow,
>> in
>> > the dark. Not a bright enough red to be even 
>> > visible in sunlight.
>> > In normal shop light, I will forge it in the 
>> > purple and browns- well
>> below
>> > when it starts to get dull red in full light.
>> >
>> > Its fun to forge, moves pretty easily.
>> > The biggest drawback to Silicon Bronze is the dark 
>> > brownish red color
>> when
>> > cold- it doesnt have that Yellowy, "Bronze" color.
>> > For that, I use Naval Bronze, which is C465- It 
>> > has a bit of lead in
>> it,
>> > and some zinc, both of which make it trickier to 
>> > forge, and much
>> tougher
>> > to weld. But the forgeablity is good, and the 
>> > color is beautiful.
>> >
>> > Be forewarned- none of this stuff is cheap- copper 
>> > has gone up a lot
>> this
>> > year, and in addition to the per pound price of 
>> > the base alloys, you
>> get
>> > charged more for certain profiles- round bar is 
>> > bad enough, but try
>> > pricing square bar or flat bar or angle, if you 
>> > want to really punish
>>
>> > yourself.
>> >
>> > ries
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Jun 8, 2006, at 10:03 AM, roger olsen wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>> everdure is considered the best bronze for 
>> >>> forging and I would
>> think if
>> >>> you
>> >>> googled 'forging everdure'  you would get some 
>> >>> good feedback.
>> Actually
>> >>> I am
>> >>> not positive everdure has an E on the end but I 
>> >>> think so.
>> >>>
>> >>> Anvilfire may also have some instructions about 
>> >>> forging bronze.
>> >>>
>> >>> I have forged it and the smaller the stock the 
>> >>> more frustrating.  I
>> did
>> >>> not
>> >>> find it as easy to forge as copper but it is 
>> >>> definitely doable.
>> You
>> >>> will
>> >>> need to experiment but the learning curve will 
>> >>> start out very
>> steep.
>> >>> You do
>> >>> not want to bring it up where it shows color, 
>> >>> just below that as I
>>
>> >>> recall,
>> >>> keep your forge turned low,  too hot or too cold 
>> >>> and it will break
>> like
>> >>> a
>> >>> stale oatmeal cookie.  Try rubbing the stock 
>> >>> with a block of wood
>> at
>> >>> different temp and note when it feels greasy and 
>> >>> note the type and
>>
>> >>> quantity
>> >>> of smoke it creates and try forging.  The 
>> >>> hardest part is finding
>> the
>> >>> 'window' of not to hot, not to cold.
>> >>>
>> >>> Good luck
>> >>>
>> >>> Roger Olsen
>> >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "robert 
>> >>> hensarling"
>> >>> <rhrocker at hilconet.com>
>> >>> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" 
>> >>> <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>> >>> Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2006 9:49 AM
>> >>> Subject: [TheForge] Bronze
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> I'm wanting to try my hand at forging a little 
>> >>>> bronze.  I'm going
>> to
>> >>>> buy
>> >>>> just a little (one sq. foot) of 1/16th" and 
>> >>>> also some bronze rod
>> for
>> >>>> vines,
>> >>>> probably just 3/8's".
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Could anyone please tell me the class (220, 
>> >>>> etc) for the sheet and
>> rod?
>> >>>> This is my first venture and would like to get 
>> >>>> the numbers right.
>> I
>> >>>> already
>> >>>> have Silicon Bronze rods for my tig (don't know 
>> >>>> if it can be forge
>>
>> >>>> welded,
>> >>>> but if it can, I'm more than positive that I 
>> >>>> couldn't do it very
>> well).
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Seems that someone once said to use a outfit in 
>> >>>> Denver for the
>> stuff,
>> >>>> Atlas
>> >>>> Metal I think.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>
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>> >
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