[TheForge] web cam

Tue Jul 11 04:22:35 EDT 2006

Ah, there's a dose of reality for my pipedream...Thank You 
Dave...i needed some perspective. Apologetically, I'm in no 
position to volunteer.
I do think that as the technology improves, becomes cheaper and 
more available; that an archive of CDs of the Abana conference 
demos would be as valuable an educational tool as the Anvil's 
ring is.
As Ralph points out, Roger Degner is a splendid model.
Please accept a sincere thank you for your constant efforts..they 
make a huge difference....Pete F

dave mudge wrote:
> Pete, I have been able to get a web cam set-up at LaCrosse, Richmond and
> Seattle. I e-mailed just about every blacksmith on the planet and invited
> them to visit the web cam.
> All things are possible given enough money, equipment, planning,
> coordinating and volunteers including a person to be responsible for pulling
> together all aspects of any given project. I think that your idea of
> videotaping the major demos and producing DVD is a great one. Lets think for
> just a moment what it will take to pull it off. First we need a
> comprehensive plan and presentation to TheBoard. That's not too hard to do.
> Next we need a dedicated volunteer /coordinator for the project. This person
> will really have to deliver results, no b.s. The coordinator (committee
> chairman) will have to round up capable and experienced camera operators
> that have equipment, time and interest to volunteer and are going to the
> conference anyway. They will also have to deliver or the whole project will
> be jeopardized.  Now if you want to video five demos that are going on at
> the same time, you will need five camera operators. Let's not forget about
> the legal stuff. You will have to get permission (in writing) to tape and
> sell the demonstration and image of the demonstrator and whatever
> intellectual property may come into the picture.
> Ok, so you pull that off, now you have to edit, edit, edit. This involves
> computers, software, more volunteers. Lastly and probably the easiest part
> is getting the actual DVD's made. That just takes some money and
> coordination. Oh, where did that money come from? Was there a line item in
> the extremely tightly stretched ABANA budget? Did it come from one of the
> department or committee budgets? Which one? I know that on the last two
> conferences we had CD's made of all the gallery stuff and other interesting
> things. We hired a professional photographer ($$$) and ended up with some
> really nice CD's. They are available through the ABANA Store,
> www.bookmasters.com/abana/index.html  for about $15.
> I am NOT trying to put a crimp in the idea of videos of the demonstrations.
> I think it's a great idea. This is pretty much an outline of what it will
> take to produce these DVD's and maybe a little understanding of what we had
> for the web cam. If we had even one other web cam, laptop with wireless
> connection and a dedicated volunteer that is going to sit with the camera /
> computer all day and night, demos, tailgate, auction, midnight madness,
> galleries, lessons, beer garden, slide presentations, etc.  It's all
> do-able. Just takes volunteers and coordination and money.
> Who wants to run for a position on TheBoard? Get your application in ASAP.
> 
> Dave Mudge
> ABANA Member Services
> Affiliate Liaison
> Internet Committee Chair
> 
> P.S. I haven't heard the Seattle numbers yet but Richmond and Le Cross were
> something like 1200 registered participants.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer [mailto:artgawk at thegrid.net]
> Sent: Sunday, July 09, 2006 2:34 AM
> To: dave mudge
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] web cam
> 
> Hi Dave:
> Points taken. And a great deal of credit is due for all the
> thousands of volunteer hours that go into this. I'm grateful to
> yourself and Mr Guy for the glimpse we get..no doubt.
> I'd assumed that the more esoteric equiptment would be rented.
> For our less well-to-do members,like myself, attendance is
> prohibitively expensive and the conference is
> enticingly,frustratingly out of reach.
> Would it be possible to use inexpensive videocams to record the
> demos and burn CDs from them? They could be sold or rented to
> members for a few bucks and we could all benefit from the
> conference, rather than a fortunate few hundred members.
> I know..." tastes like moose turd pie...but it's good though!"...PF
> 
> dave mudge wrote:
> 
>>Your ABANA dues 'almost' cover the cost of the two magazines that you get.
>>The budget for the web cam for this event was about $150.
>>Jim Guy used his own web cam and his own laptop and his own wireless
> 
> set-up.
> 
>>He volunteered his time and expertise.
>>I had to really push hard to get ABANA to pay for the wireless phone
> 
> hook-up
> 
>>to broadcast the signal from the web cam.
>>You have obviously never looked into the cost of  "streaming video" or the
>>equipment that one would need to be able to send 5
>>different signals, simultaneously to the web site. For an event that
> 
> happens
> 
>>for four days every two years, I don't think that it would be a wise way
> 
> to
> 
>>spend the member's money.
>>Dave Mudge
>>ABANA Member Services Director
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>[mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Peter Fels And
> 
> Phoebe
> 
>>Palmer
>>Sent: Saturday, July 08, 2006 1:09 AM
>>To: Sponsored by ABANA
>>Subject: Re: [TheForge] web cam
>>
>>I take it our cameraman has gone to bed as it keeps repeating the
>>same image.
>>In this day and age we should be able to see and hear live feeds
>>from each demo...Abana membership ain't cheap, can it really cost
>>all that much?....Pete F
>>
>>schade at acegroup.cc wrote:
>>
>>
>>>the abana webcam seems to be working.
>>>
>>>http://www.abana.org/webcam.shtml
>>>
>>>It seems to reload every 30 seconds. A picture of an open area with
>>>people walking across. No hot iron action yet.
>>>
>>>Bob
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