[TheForge] Re: fuel

[Demon Buddha]

Dan Scheid wrote:
> The down side to bio-diesel is we don't grow enough to supply our current
> usage.

	That's a fact.  Also, I'm not sure that anyone's considered the health 
hazards posed by burning peticide-laden oils.  It's probably not a 
problem, though I doint really know one way or the other.  But I wonder 
if the question has even been raised.

  Now it is something I'm looking into for the ranch that uses some
> less then 40 gals a month for the trackers but. It will not work in the
> large scale. Hydrogen is not much better in that it is more like a battery
> it takes as much energy to make it as you get out of it. Solar and wind are
> looking very good in the southwest.

	Fuels cells are very unimpressive.  A guy I worked with in Vancouver 
was part of a fuel cell startup there.  They talked a good talk, but in 
the end the company went, quite predictably, belly up.  Their technology 
was very inpressive, as far as it went; just didn't go nearly far 
enough.  And I take issue with all this use of the the term "clean 
technology" and "clean energy".  None of them are clean.  They just 
concentrate pollution to centers much the way the industrial revolution 
did with factories.  THey may be CLEANER, but not clean by a very long 
shot. The coming five years should be interesting.  The past five sure 
have been.

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