[TheForge] Re: OT: several questions and thoughts

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 Franklin Roosevelt said that the domination of our nation by large 
corporations is the
definition of fascism:
http://www.rense.com/general63/ssi.htm

Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital.  Capital is only the fruit 
of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. 
Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much of higher consideration.
-- Abraham Lincoln

Under the placid surface [of the economy], there are disturbing trends: huge 
imbalances, disequilibria, risks -- call them what you will.  Altogether the 
circumstances seem to me as dangerous and intractable as any I can remember, 
and I can remember quite a lot.
-- Paul Volcker, Former US Federal Reserve Bank Chairman, April 10, 2005

"Should any political party attempt to abolish social security, unemployment 
insurance, and eliminate labor laws and farm programs, you would not hear of 
that party again in our political history.  There is a tiny splinter group, 
of course, that believes that you can do these things.  Among them are a few 
Texas oil millionaires, and an occasional politician or businessman from 
other areas.  Their number is negligible, and they are stupid."
-- President Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1952

"The modern conservative is engaged in one of man's oldest exercises in 
moral philosophy: that is the search for a superior moral justification for 
selfishness."
-- John Kenneth Galbraith

"Fascism should more appropriately be called CORPORATISM because it is a 
merger of state and corporate power."
-- Benito Mussolini (from Encyclopedia Italiana, Giovanni Gentile, editor) 
http://raenergy.igc.org/republicanfascistparty.html

Some other lectures leading to solutions:
http://raenergy.igc.org/Googleclick.html

Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change 
the world. Indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.
-- Margaret Mead

Let us experiment with laws and customs, with money systems and governments, 
until we chart the one true course -- until we find the majesty of our 
proper orbit as the planets above have found theirs.  And then at last we 
shall move all together in the harmony of our sphere under the great impulse 
of a single creation -- one unity, one system, one design.
-- Roger Bacon

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Justin Fellenz" <sunironworks at yahoo.com>
To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2006 11:15 AM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Re: OT: several questions and thoughts


Wait, you're both right. (you'd think I was a middle child...)

  Unions are wonderful things when the workers are being abused. We 
inherited the industrial ethics of Victorian England, a lovely mechanistic 
oversimplification of self-interest in which workers were I would say just 
about inarguably and widely exploited.

  That's not to say you can't have too much of a good thing. I think it was 
Andy  who pointed out (paraphrasing) that if wages get too high, the product 
won't turn a profit and the company will fail. If the overblown wages span 
an industry as they do in the case of unions, then the industry itself finds 
itself in trouble. And if the industry is crucial to the national financial 
structure, like automobiles or airlines, well, the unions become a matter of 
national secuity.

  A little balance goes a long way. Not our strong suit here.

  JRF

schade at acegroup.cc wrote:

On Feb 3, 2006, at 11:07 AM, Demon Buddha wrote:
> I've yet to see a union accomplish anything useful to either their
> constituents or anyone other than themselves.





http://www.bls.gov/news.release/union2.nr0.htm

In 2005, full-time wage and salary workers who were union members had
median usual weekly earnings of $801, compared with a median of $622 for
wage and salary workers who were not represented by unions.

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