[TheForge] Re: OT: several questions and thoughts

[GHS]

Demon Buddha wrote:

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> GHS wrote:
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>> Mike Spencer wrote:
>> Which is where robotics come in.
>> But the unions do not like robotics.
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>     Screw the unions.  They are less than worthless.  I just watched 
> AFA sell the United flight attendants up the river.  They are assholes. 


Twofold problem. Union leadership often in league with the bosses and 
more often simply estranged from the hoi polloi.
And
The union rank and file who have bought hook line and sinker an 
unrealistic view of their worth.

We are back to enlightened self interest being lost. A worker who is 
paid at or below his real value has a secure job. One paid above his 
true value is always at risk.
 
When a machine can do something faster , better and cheaper than you it 
is time to look elsewhere for employment, because you will not be able 
to earn a living if you do not.
eg. At one time a decent income could be made making nails. People 
needed nails and not everyone had the time to make them. Then someone 
made a machine and the nail makers either became something else, bought 
a machine, or starved.

>> If the union needs to keep the screw turners then they should be paid 
>> for the value of an unskilled job which a machine can do faster and 
>> probably more consistently.
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>     Welcome to fantasy island.

Yeah I know. Doesn't mean I am not right. <G>

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>> A decent reliable, comfortable car , made to quality standards  could 
>> be made and sold much cheaper. We would need to apply the advances in 
>> manufacturing and not demand a new model every year.
>> I would gladly put up with a good solid safe 2006-2016  pickup for 
>> 10,000 even if it did only come in black.
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>     You would, but many (most?) people wouldn't.  The market follows 
> the desires of the buyer.

No, they follow where the makers advertisements have led the buyers. 
Changing really cool add ons like AC and surround sound into absolute 
necessities is  what marketing is all about. (1950 avocado colored 
appliance, now there is a necessity and true value added.)

>   It doesn't have much choice.

With all due respect Andy, Bull.

> As the average person becomes ever more stupid, their tastes (if taste 
> even really applies here) wander off, this way or that.  If you are in 
> business and you do not meet the wishes of the market,

Which they manipulate!

> it will pass you by.  If we're in a death spiral, and I'm not saying 
> that we are, it is at our own hands that we ended up there.

TOTAL agreement.


Mike Graf

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