I'm still using my Stanley #8 Type 5 (1885-1888) bench plane. It would hold me under water, but wouldn't help me breathe. Aubrey ________________________________ From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of Tod Estes Hey careful I am still using my USD Conshelf IV. and paper charts! Quoting Jerry Frost frosty at customcpu.com: