[TheForge] Induction Forge?

Wed Aug 23 00:34:31 EDT 2006

I agree; for the company that sells itself out, brand loyalty and 
"good will" are valuable for selling utter crap at a great profit 
for a whole sales cycle.
That's good for the  annual bottom line, then the execs move on 
to the next golden goose to gut.
Well, as bottom feeding goes, it's still a pretty rich mud...PF

Michael wrote:
> One of the more interesting aspects of tooling discussions is the light they
> shine on the importance of correct philosophy. In other words, what works
> and what wrecks; this is philosophy's bottom line after all. I believe that
> customer loyalty actually constitutes a problem for manufacturers, as it
> only provides a temptation these days--not a reason to behave responsibly.
> We understand that reckless abandon in trying to save money leads to poor
> tool choices, but how many of us stop to consider that brand loyalty is now
> every bit as inappropriate?
> Mikey
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Steve Smith
> Sent: Tuesday, August 22, 2006 5:13 AM
> To: artgawk at thegrid.net; Sponsored by ABANA
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Induction Forge?
> 
> Yes, this sort of thing only helps the bottom line in the short term.
> 
> Steve
> 
> Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer wrote:
> 
> 
>> Steve;
>>I've got to think that Lincoln isn't the company it used to be and 
>>corporate short term thinking has screwed it too.
>>Kinda hard on a customer's loyalty...Pete F
>>
>>Steve Smith wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Pete, I don't understand how Lincoln can get away with that. Bad 
>>>craziness on their part.
>>>
>>>Chips are pretty cheap to stockpile (for a manufacturer, I mean). 
>>>Running out/unavailable isn't a valid excuse, it is poor planning.
>>>
>>>My two cents.
>>>
>>>Steve
>>>
>>>
>>>Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Reis is right of course..i was just pipe dreaming again.
>>>>In fact, i have a sort of horror of buying any welding machine with 
>>>>modern electronics in it. Little teeny, fragile chips and big surging 
>>>>and sputtering electro-magnetic fields...what a combination!
>>>>How are we gonna get replacement chips for them when they are 20 
>>>>years old?
>>>>The main PC card for my Lincoln Idealarc 250/250 is no longer 
>>>>available. It's my newest welding machine.The chips for many vehicles 
>>>>are no longer available. Look under the hood of so many machines and 
>>>>all there is to be seen is electronics and plastic.
>>>>Looks like the prelude to a disaster.
>>>>Another one.
>>>>Course when it happens, we'll be well positioned.
>>>>Only a few chips in my anvil.....Pete F
>>>>
>>>>Jerry Frost wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Egglayingwoolmilkpig? I don't even want a picture! <grin> Great term.
>>>>>
>>>>>We're on the same page regarding doitall machines. Something that 
>>>>>does everything does nothing well.
>>>>>
>>>>>While I don't know much about electricity I do understand there are 
>>>>>different types in ways I don't grasp. What I do know is I already 
>>>>>have a Lincoln Ranger 9, multi process welder that will indeed do 
>>>>>most welding processes but requires modules or additional pieces to 
>>>>>do some.
>>>>>
>>>>>I was just thinking an electricity massaging unit might be an 
>>>>>alternative.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>
>>>>>Frosty
>>>>>-------------------------------
>>>>>If it ain't forged
>>>>>it ain't real.
>>>>>Wrought iron is.
>>>>>The FrostWorks
>>>>>
>>>>>Meadow Lakes, AK.
>>>>>
>>>>>http://www.artmetalradio.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>From: "Ries Niemi" <rniemi at fidalgo.net>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I am not a big fan of "all in one" designs for anything- the combo 
>>>>>>brake/shear/rolls are garbage, the lathe/milling machines are crap, 
>>>>>>the shopsmith is an amusing idea that does nothing well-
>>>>>>But the closest I come is my inverter welder- it will run a mig 
>>>>>>wire feeder head, tig weld, or stick weld, all better than the 
>>>>>>older, standalone machines I also have.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But, and its a big but- even though it all looks alike- there are 
>>>>>>different types of electricity- and what you need for welding- my 
>>>>>>tig inverter is usually putting out 170 amps at 25 volts or so- is 
>>>>>>drastically different than what you would need for a induction 
>>>>>>forge. Cant remember Grants explanation of the output, but its 
>>>>>>night and day from what a tig welder puts out.
>>>>>>It would be kinda like saying my lawnmower and my Cat D9 are both 
>>>>>>powered by internal combustion engines, so why not combine the 
>>>>>>functions of the two?
>>>>>>Yes, it could probably be done- and it would do each job worse, 
>>>>>>cost more, and have inherent design flaws that are just about 
>>>>>>insurmountable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The germans have a word for this- they would call it an 
>>>>>>"egglayingwoolmilkpig"-  something that tries to do everything.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am all for buying an inverter power supply- but so far, the only 
>>>>>>ones that both weld and plasma cut are funky no name chinese 
>>>>>>imports- and they dont have either Grant Sarver, or Kaynes standing 
>>>>>>behind them.
>>>>>>I will buy a no name chinese induction forge from Grant, but not 
>>>>>>from some guy on ebay who cant tell an oscilloscope from a 
>>>>>>stethescope.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>My welders are either red or blue. They work, parts are available, 
>>>>>>most are made in the USA- (all millers, most lincolns).
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Experiments are fine for hor d'ourves- not for welders.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Ries
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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