[TheForge] Induction Forge?

[Steve Smith]

Pete, I don't understand how Lincoln can get away with that. Bad 
craziness on their part.

Chips are pretty cheap to stockpile (for a manufacturer, I mean). 
Running out/unavailable isn't a valid excuse, it is poor planning.

My two cents.

Steve


Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer wrote:

> Reis is right of course..i was just pipe dreaming again.
> In fact, i have a sort of horror of buying any welding machine with 
> modern electronics in it. Little teeny, fragile chips and big surging 
> and sputtering electro-magnetic fields...what a combination!
> How are we gonna get replacement chips for them when they are 20 years old?
> The main PC card for my Lincoln Idealarc 250/250 is no longer available. 
> It's my newest welding machine.The chips for many vehicles are no longer 
> available. Look under the hood of so many machines and all there is to 
> be seen is electronics and plastic.
> Looks like the prelude to a disaster.
> Another one.
> Course when it happens, we'll be well positioned.
> Only a few chips in my anvil.....Pete F
> 
> Jerry Frost wrote:
> 
>> Egglayingwoolmilkpig? I don't even want a picture! <grin> Great term.
>>
>> We're on the same page regarding doitall machines. Something that does 
>> everything does nothing well.
>>
>> While I don't know much about electricity I do understand there are 
>> different types in ways I don't grasp. What I do know is I already 
>> have a Lincoln Ranger 9, multi process welder that will indeed do most 
>> welding processes but requires modules or additional pieces to do some.
>>
>> I was just thinking an electricity massaging unit might be an 
>> alternative.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Frosty
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>> it ain't real.
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>> From: "Ries Niemi" <rniemi at fidalgo.net>
>>
>>
>>> I am not a big fan of "all in one" designs for anything- the combo 
>>> brake/shear/rolls are garbage, the lathe/milling machines are crap, 
>>> the shopsmith is an amusing idea that does nothing well-
>>> But the closest I come is my inverter welder- it will run a mig wire 
>>> feeder head, tig weld, or stick weld, all better than the older, 
>>> standalone machines I also have.
>>>
>>> But, and its a big but- even though it all looks alike- there are 
>>> different types of electricity- and what you need for welding- my tig 
>>> inverter is usually putting out 170 amps at 25 volts or so- is 
>>> drastically different than what you would need for a induction forge. 
>>> Cant remember Grants explanation of the output, but its night and day 
>>> from what a tig welder puts out.
>>> It would be kinda like saying my lawnmower and my Cat D9 are both 
>>> powered by internal combustion engines, so why not combine the 
>>> functions of the two?
>>> Yes, it could probably be done- and it would do each job worse, cost 
>>> more, and have inherent design flaws that are just about insurmountable.
>>>
>>> The germans have a word for this- they would call it an 
>>> "egglayingwoolmilkpig"-  something that tries to do everything.
>>>
>>> I am all for buying an inverter power supply- but so far, the only 
>>> ones that both weld and plasma cut are funky no name chinese imports- 
>>> and they dont have either Grant Sarver, or Kaynes standing behind them.
>>> I will buy a no name chinese induction forge from Grant, but not from 
>>> some guy on ebay who cant tell an oscilloscope from a stethescope.
>>>
>>> My welders are either red or blue. They work, parts are available, 
>>> most are made in the USA- (all millers, most lincolns).
>>>
>>> Experiments are fine for hor d'ourves- not for welders.
>>>
>>> Ries
>>>
>>>
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