Got this one, Bruce. I'm back and doing Admin duty until Mudge gets his stuff together after the visit from Katrina. Got a tree through the roof and walls of his shop ... totaled. I'm heading to the Guild of Metalsmiths fall conference tomorrow. Gonna get to meet Sproul there ... he's demonstrating. Dave Brown At 01:28 PM 9/15/2005, you wrote: >no mail for days?