[TheForge] new topic

[David E. Smucker]

Peter is a 100 percent correct on manure around foundations.  My grandfather 
used to do this when they farmed with horses.  He was in north central 
Illinois.  Each fall they would put manure and straw around the foundation 
of the house and each spring it would go on the garden.  As a boy it was my 
Dad's job to get the horses out of the pasture (summer time) for the field 
work.  He hated that in the wet grass -- used to say that is why he became a 
engineer because he sure didn't want to be a farmer -- yet in his last years 
he sure loved his garden.

As to shop size I like big and am dividing mine into a "clean" area and 
"dirty" area, about 1/4 clean and the rest dirty.  Gas (propane) in the 
small area, wood heat in the large area.  In the clean area are my machine 
tools, bench, and tool and part storage (nuts, bolts, small hardware).  In 
the dirty area are the forge, power hammer, welding bench and area, large 
wood working tools and drive in area etc.  The wall between the two areas is 
framed, but not finished yet.  I have to balance finishing the shop and work 
on the house you know.

Dave Smucker
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer" <artgawk at thegrid.net>
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> Folks useed to simply bank manure around their stone foundations to the 
> same end.
> I think that the pile needs a methane gathering system as well as a gas 
> appliance for each horse and cow...( ungulates and termites supply a huge 
> % of available CO2).
>
> Jerry Frost wrote:
>> Rather than a methane generator, using a few loops of tubing through the 
>> compost pile and a circulating pump will provide hydronic heat. It's much 
>> less tech dependant; it doesn't require the gas filters, 
>> supply/pressurizing system or a furnace.
>>
>> Frosty
>> ------------------------
>> If it ain't forged
>> it ain't real.
>> Wrought iron is.
>> The FrostWorks
>>
>> Meadow Lakes, AK.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Robinson" 
>> <robi5515 at bellsouth.net>
>> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Monday, May 30, 2005 7:22 AM
>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] new topic
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>>> How about a methane generator to convert the horse manure into shop 
>>> heating fuel?
>>> Chuck
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Walter Mullett" 
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>>> To: "'kent'" <kent at cerakko.com>; "'Sponsored by ABANA'" 
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>>>> One problem I see with this is that horse urine seems to cause 
>>>> excessive
>>>> rusting on nearby steel so keep the two environments separated as much 
>>>> as
>>>> possible.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>>> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of kent
>>>> Sent: Sunday, May 29, 2005 1:00 AM
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>>>> Subject: [TheForge] new topic
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>>>> No more biodiesel...
>>>>
>>>> I have about 3-4 weeks of downtime due to the hand surgery, so I'd like 
>>>> to
>>>> hear some suggestions on how big to build my shop. The only condition 
>>>> is
>>>> that it will be combined with a horse barn, but that won't be too much 
>>>> of a
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> Kent
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