[TheForge] Anvil shaving 101

Fri May 27 13:39:13 EDT 2005

Hey John,
I don't have any problem with using the Stoody rod on an anvil. If I was 
doing an extensive repair to the face I'd probably use a similar rod.
but I understood Justin's question to be- minor  repair of an anvil with no 
experience and minimal equipment.
Around here Stoody rod is expensive, and welding some shops are reluctant to 
order small amounts for a low demand item.
Since 7018 works,  is cheap, and is easily available ,why not use it, If you 
screw up with some hard facing rods, the chunks can be bigger than the 
original voids.
Phil's suggested pre heat is too high. If you pre heat to 400 F, then add 
the welding heat to it, you can easily go to 600 F or more and soften the 
face.
Chuck

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "JOHN CHOBRDA" <jchob at verizon.net>
To: "'Sponsored by ABANA'" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 8:45 AM
Subject: RE: [TheForge] Anvil shaving 101

>I have to second what Phil has written. I have been using MG 750 for over 5
> years now and have done over a dozen anvils, and have had no problems. MG
> 750 is a high impact rod that work hardens to RC 50 or better.
>
> JC
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phil
> Sent: Friday, May 27, 2005 5:52 AM
> To: Sponsored by ABANA
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Anvil shaving 101
>
> I'm sorry but, I just have to chime in here.
>
> So you have this anvil, it's a Peter Wright, or maybe
> it's a Hay Buddy or a Trenton, and maybe you got a
> deal on it, $1/pound, maybe you paid $2.50/pound, and
> you're going to use a high tensile electrode on the
> face and edges?  Why would you want to lay lown a
> relatively soft rod on something you paid so much
> money for?
>
> Go ahead, spend a few extra dollars, and get some
> electrodes that were made for doing this.  Some folks
> like the Stoody rods.  I don't.  I don't think you get
> a super hard result, and the color match isn't that
> good.  I actually gave away some Stoody rods to
> someone on theforge.
>
> Go get some MG710 electrodes.  You can either get your
> "friendly" local welding supplier to order them for
> you, or you can order them directly from MG.  They
> also make a TIG rod.
>
> They recommend getting the anvil up to 350-400
> degrees.
>
> Just my two cents though.
>
> Phil Rosche
> Summerville, SC
> --- Chuck Robinson <robi5515 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>> Hey Justin,
>> Rebuilding the edges is a do-able project:
>> Get a $20 propane weed burner from Harbor Freight
>> and a 250 F tempil stick.
>> Put the anvil face up on some steel blocks to raise
>> the bottom about 4" off
>> the round.
>> Preheat the anvil with the burner on the sides and
>> bottom until the tempil
>> marks on the face change,
>> Weld up the dings with new 7018 rod and peen the
>> weld bead with light blows
>> till you arm falls off.
>>  Then cover the anvil with an insulating layer of
>> inswool blanket or place a
>> big card board box around the anvil and fill it with
>> vermiculite.
>> Let the anvil slow cool to ambient temperature.
>> The 7018 rod will be a little soft but it will work
>> harden and won't chip
>> off like some hard facing rod will.
>> Never heat an anvil above about 350 F.
>> Chuck
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Justin Fellenz" <sunironworks at yahoo.com>
>> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 5:59 PM
>> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Anvil shaving 101
>>
>>
>> > Grin. Maybe I could make enough to make up for
>> wrecking a perfectly
>> > good anvil....
>> >
>> > I guess I'll look for a really thrashed one. I was
>> just outside looking
>> > at it, and the face is ok but the endges are just
>> beat. I'm guessing
>> > that if I hard surfaced just those and fixed em
>> up, it would probably
>> > wreck the rest of the anvil, and I'd be back to
>> making video.
>> >
>> > Oh well, it works good for what it is.
>> >
>> > Justin.
>> > --- Dan Tull <dantull at numail.org> wrote:
>> >
>> >> Chuck is a spoil sport.
>> >> We want video.
>> >> I guarantee you , you can sell copies of that.
>> >> Everyone wants to know how to temper their anvils
>> ( or not).
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> From: <robi5515 at bellsouth.net>
>> >> To: "Sponsored by ABANA"
>> <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>> >> Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 6:52 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Anvil shaving 101
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> > Hey Justin,
>> >> > I make anvils and my advice is don't screw with
>> it
>> >> > As long as it has a decent hammer rebound and
>> you can work on it
>> >> leave it
>> >> > alone.
>> >> > You don't know for sure whether it has been
>> surfaced before. If you
>> >> can
>> >> > find some one with a set of Rockwell files, the
>> optimal RC is 50 to
>> >> 55.
>> >> > If you dress the face and try to harden it you
>> might mess up the
>> >> face to
>> >> > body weld.
>> >> > Chuck
>> >> > ----- Original Message ----- 
>> >> > From: "Justin Fellenz" <sunironworks at yahoo.com>
>> >> > To: "Sponsored by ABANA"
>> <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>> >> > Sent: Thursday, May 26, 2005 4:11 PM
>> >> > Subject: Re: [TheForge] Anvil shaving 101
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> Jeez, thanks guys, you're a big help. I think
>> you could get it hot
>> >> >> enough and I think you could get it quenched,
>> but tempering
>> >> accurately
>> >> >> might be tough. Anyone know what the hardness
>> should be? THoughts
>> >> on
>> >> >> tempering such a beast? Spose if I get this
>> figgered out I could
>> >> just
>> >> >> make me a new anvil...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hmmm...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> J
>> >> >> --- Phlip <phlip at 99main.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Ene bichizh ogsen baina shuu...
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> > > Along the same lines...
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > my spare anvil is a 275 pound peter
>> wright that's pretty flat
>> >> but
>> >> >>> > > seriously chipped up on te endges and
>> more than a little
>> >> dinged
>> >> >>> on the
>> >> >>> > > face. I was thinking of hard surfacing it
>> or at least
>> >> grinding
>> >> >>> off the
>> >> >>> > > chips to a nice rounded edge. Thoughts
>> about hard surfacing?
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > >> be possible to
>> >> >>> reharden....I
>> >> >>> > > wondered if you could build a good coal
>> fire and heat it up
>> >> by
>> >> >>> hanging
>> >> >>> > > it upside down in the fire and then
>> quench it and then
>> >> >>> temper...dunno,
>> >> >>> > > pretty heavy piece of iron and I really
>> don't have an idea
>> >> about
>> >> >>> the
>> >> >>> > > specs. Thoughts?
>> >> >>> > >
>> >> >>> > > JRF
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Dan said go for it- I agree- I wanna watch
>> ;-)
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Saint Phlip,
>> >> >>> CoD
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> "When in doubt, heat it up and hit it with a
>> hammer."
>> >> >>>  Blacksmith's credo.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>>  If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a
>> duck, it is probably
>> >> not
>> >> >>> a
>> >> >>> cat.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Never a horse that cain't be rode,
>> >> >>> And never a rider who cain't be throwed....
>> >> >>>
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