[TheForge] Re: TheForge Digest, Vol 17, Issue 36
Ray Clontz
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Tue Jun 14 17:34:23 EDT 2005
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> 1. Re: RE: [TheForge] Re: music (gblacksmith)
> 2. RE: A recipe for Emperor Wilson... (Grover Richardson)
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> 4. Re: A recipe for Emperor Wilson... (Bruce Freeman)
> 5. Re: Re: music (Mermaidjmf at aol.com)
> 6. Re: Re: [TheForge] A recipe for Emperor Wilson... (Roy Wilson)
> 7. Steel Suppliers in SF Bay Area (John Arrasjid)
> 8. RE: RE: [TheForge] Re: music (debmiller at fuse.net)
> 9. Re: RE: [TheForge] Re: music (debmiller at fuse.net)
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> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 12:35:29 -0700
> From: "gblacksmith" <gblacksmith at alamedanet.net>
> Subject: Re: RE: [TheForge] Re: music
> To: <rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com>, "Sponsored by ABANA"
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> Great Aerosmith album: "Get Your Wings" Best track are Train kept a'
> Rollin and Same ol' Song and Dance. Or the newest: "Honkin' at the Bobo."
> Grant
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roy Wilson" <rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com>
> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 11:21 AM
> Subject: Re: RE: [TheForge] Re: music
>
>
>>
>> ======= On 2005-06-14, at 13:09:22 Grover Richardson wrote: =======
>>
>>>Oldest daughter was in high school, came home to tell us about a new
>>>band.
>>>The wife took her by hand, and showed her the bonafide vinyl put out in
>>>the
>>>early '70s<G>. I forget the band, did Toys in the Attic.
>>
>> Aerosmith. If you want something really rocking for fast and hard
>> hammerwork, try their song "Rag Doll".
>>
>> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>>
>> Emperor Wilson
>> WINS#6
>>
>> "Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris." - Xanthippos
>>
>> Roy Wilson - rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com
>> 2005-06-14
>>
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> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:38:38 -0400
> From: "Grover Richardson" <grover.richardson at gtri.gatech.edu>
> Subject: RE: [TheForge] A recipe for Emperor Wilson...
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> I get a metal blade and put it on an old Black and Decker skill type saw.
> Use it for cutting up metal. Cheaper than a chop saw, but of course, less
> power and it takes longer. But cheap is good for me also<G>.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Phlip
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:41 PM
> To: rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com; Sponsored by ABANA
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] A recipe for Emperor Wilson...
>
>
>
> Ene bichizh ogsen baina shuu...
>
>> So what have you been making of late, Lady Phlip? BTW, I love the
>> period
> sunglasses in that pic of you and John...<G>
>
> Actually, sunglasses are quite perion, although not quite those frames ;-)
>
> Mostly, at the moment, I'm making stuff for the RennFaire. Trying to get
> some 5/8 sq cut to make up some tripods, as well as more period-looking
> tie-downs, etc for my shelter (although the shelter itself is thoroughly
> modern- still, a bit at a time ;-) My roommate, Rob, was going to hacksaw
> the 5/8 for me, but yesterday he flipped the car and tore up his left arm
> pretty badly, so I'm looking for alternives to me and the hacksaw ;-) If
> it
> were just one or two, I'd go ahead and do it, or heat it and cut it on the
> hardy (which I just made) but 6 of them? It's too damned hot ;-) I need
> either a cut-off saw, a band saw, or an apprentice who lives a bit closer
> than Alaron does ;-)
>
> And, my friend Oso just sent me over some stainless steel wire, so I can
> experiment with pattern welded billets. I'd have been happy finding some
> just plain steel wire, but if this is what he suggests, considering the
> quality of his work, I'm all for it ;-)
>
>> I fired up the coal forge about a week ago to beat a machete out of a
> chunk of old leaf spring. The brush in my sidelot had grown up so much
> even
> the powered reel on the brush hog couldn't knock it down.
>>
>> Tips on lighting up a coal forge that's been dormant over 2 years in
> upstate NY:
>>
>> 1) Make SURE you've chased out ALL the skunks that took up residence
>> in
> the pedastal box.
>
> Hee hee hee ;-)
>
>> 2) Raccoons find the chimney and flue of forges to be excellent
>> breeding
> creches.
>
> Better neighbors than skunks, all things considered, unless you have
> chickens ;-)
>
>> 3) Water left in covered quench buckets for more than a year gets
>> STOLEN!
>>
>> <G>
>>
>>
>> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>>
>> Emperor Wilson
>
> Funny how that works ;-)
>
> My roommates finally let me get a dog, a beautiful husky bitch, with blue
> eyes, 3 years old. I had rather a naming contest here on TheForge (her
> name
> was originally "Precious"- 'nuff said) and I owe someone here a beer when
> finally we meet. FYI, guys, I've named her "Swage" but I'm using the
> Medieval French spelling (gee, wonder why ;-) so her Official New Name is
> "Souage" ;-)
>
> She's a love, although almost completely untrained- we've been working on
> that. Every morning, we go for a walk- good for both of us- and at the
> halfway point, there's a pond with ducks and geese. Got permission from
> the
> owners to use the flat ground in front of it to train her, so in another
> couple days, when she's a little better at walking on lead, we'll start up
> formal training. Meantime, today, I took her with me in the truck, while I
> ran errands. She did very well, whatever I asked, once I showed her what I
> wanted. Dunno for sure, but with her basic good manners, and her willing
> attitude, I just might have a good obediance dog ;-)
>
> Now you're single again, don't chase too many wild women ;-)
>
> And, when are you coming to Pennsic? We could use another cranky old smith
> to learn from ;-)
>
> Saint Phlip,
> CoD
>
> "When in doubt, heat it up and hit it with a hammer." Blacksmith's credo.
>
> If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is probably not a cat.
>
> Never a horse that cain't be rode,
> And never a rider who cain't be throwed....
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:40:25 -0400
> From: "Grover Richardson" <grover.richardson at gtri.gatech.edu>
> Subject: RE: RE: [TheForge] Re: music
> To: <rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com>, "'Sponsored by ABANA'"
> <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> Thanks. Forwarded your email to the wife to see if we have a copy. She's
> the music aficionado<G>.
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Roy Wilson
> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 2:22 PM
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> Subject: Re: RE: [TheForge] Re: music
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>
>
> ======= On 2005-06-14, at 13:09:22 Grover Richardson wrote: =======
>
>>Oldest daughter was in high school, came home to tell us about a new
>>band. The wife took her by hand, and showed her the bonafide vinyl put
>>out in the early '70s<G>. I forget the band, did Toys in the Attic.
>
> Aerosmith. If you want something really rocking for fast and hard
> hammerwork, try their song "Rag Doll".
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
> Emperor Wilson
> WINS#6
>
> "Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris." - Xanthippos
>
> Roy Wilson - rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com
> 2005-06-14
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> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:46:03 -0400
> From: "Bruce Freeman" <FREEMAB at pt.fdah.com>
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] A recipe for Emperor Wilson...
> To: <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> Phlip,
> Every shop should have a cut-off saw. It'll cut ANY steel, unlike band
> saws which may start spitting teeth if they hit a hard spot. Slower,
> messier, etc., but worth it. Go for a 14" job. You could get a cheap,
> used one and use it till you're convinced I'm right or find you don't need
> anything better after all.
>
> Bruce
> NJ
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 15:59:45 EDT
> From: Mermaidjmf at aol.com
> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Re: music
> To: rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com, theforge at mailman.qth.net
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>
> I, also, used to point my daughter to my vinyl collection to introduce her
> to the influences on the music she listens to......also to play original
> versions of covers that one of her favorite bands may have done.
>
> This is a great topic.....can't work without music, even if it's the music
> in my head....
>
> Some favorites to work with: King Crimson, Bromberg, The Clash, Al
> Green,
> Sly, Third World, War, Airplane, Old...Very Old Genesis, Nektar, Joss
> Stone,
> Opera, Mozart, Miles Davis, M'Shell Ndege O'Cello, Neil Young, Zappa, any
> and
> every version of Little Wing-Hendrix.......and, of course, as seems to be
> agreed upon..........Sabbath.
>
> That's my short list....
>
> Note to JRF: I miss Car Talk and Prairie Home Companion....even though
> I'm
> in NJ, I used to get both programs on my public radio
> station......hmmmm....time to find out if they're on any other station,
> within my listening area.....
>
> PS: Now, that my daughter is a music major, she rummages through my old
> vinyl, constantly...........and why not......it's good stuff.....
> Joni
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:00:40 -0400
> From: "Roy Wilson" <rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com>
> Subject: Re: Re: [TheForge] A recipe for Emperor Wilson...
> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Message-ID: <200506142000.j5EK0bpl012152 at ms-smtp-04.nyroc.rr.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
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>
> ======= On 2005-06-14, at 14:40:58 Phlip wrote: =======
>
>>
>>Ene bichizh ogsen baina shuu...
>
> Eenie, meanie, jellibeenie. And interfice te cochleare to boot!<G>
>
>>> So what have you been making of late, Lady Phlip? BTW, I love the
>>> period
>>>sunglasses in that pic of you and John...<G>
>
>>Actually, sunglasses are quite perion, although not quite those frames ;-)
>
> Wasn't that an old Jethro Tull album, "Broadsword & Shades"? <G>
>
>>Mostly, at the moment, I'm making stuff for the RennFaire. Trying to get
>>some 5/8 sq cut to make up some tripods, as well as more period-looking
>>tie-downs, etc for my shelter (although the shelter itself is thoroughly
>>modern- still, a bit at a time ;-) My roommate, Rob, was going to hacksaw
>>the 5/8 for me, but yesterday he flipped the car and tore up his left arm
>>pretty badly, so I'm looking for alternives to me and the hacksaw ;-) If
>>it
>>were just one or two, I'd go ahead and do it, or heat it and cut it on the
>>hardy (which I just made) but 6 of them? It's too damned hot ;-) I need
>>either a cut-off saw, a band saw, or an apprentice who lives a bit closer
>>than Alaron does ;-)
>
> Er... if you swing by, I'll show you how to use a cutting torch.... <G>
>
> Since you're amenable to a power saw, why not a cheap (<$40) 4" disk
> grinder? Just put a cutoff wheel on one and zip right through.
> Personally, I'd use the torches if the bandsaw wasn't working. MUCH
> easier.
>
>>And, my friend Oso just sent me over some stainless steel wire, so I can
>>experiment with pattern welded billets. I'd have been happy finding some
>>just plain steel wire, but if this is what he suggests, considering the
>>quality of his work, I'm all for it ;-)
>
> Try garage door cable sometime. Works great, and it's thin enough that
> you can add strands of Monel, nickel, etc. wire to it as well. Opening
> the strands enough to work in steel wool gives interesting results as
> well.
>
>>> 2) Raccoons find the chimney and flue of forges to be excellent
>>> breeding
>>>creches.
>
>>Better neighbors than skunks, all things considered, unless you have
>>chickens ;-)
>
> Both critters keep the @!$#!!! feral cats from moving into my barn. The
> 'coons kill them, the skunks... well, let's just say Looney Tunes had it
> right when they cast ol' Pepe LePew as a bit amorous for cats...<G>
>
>>My roommates finally let me get a dog, a beautiful husky bitch, with blue
>>eyes, 3 years old. I had rather a naming contest here on TheForge (her
>>name
>>was originally "Precious"- 'nuff said) and I owe someone here a beer when
>>finally we meet. FYI, guys, I've named her "Swage" but I'm using the
>>Medieval French spelling (gee, wonder why ;-) so her Official New Name is
>>"Souage" ;-)
>
> I've got a new dog as well, yet another male black lab. His papers say
> his name is "Shadow", but he's convinced it's either "Dammit!" or "Special
> Ed".<G>
>
>>Now you're single again, don't chase too many wild women ;-)
>
> I chase lots of women, wild and otherwise. The problem is when I *catch*
> one - I can't remember WHY I was chasing her...<G>
>
>>And, when are you coming to Pennsic?
>
> Probably not this year. I'm busy looking for a Classic Mid Life Crisis
> car - something sporty, red, ragtopped, and probably shaped like a...
> er... "Male Wedding Tackle" sums that up, I think...<G>
>
>> We could use another cranky old smith to learn from ;-)
>
> Heh. Just look for a lunatic with a camcorder stealing all your trade
> secrets.<G>
>
> = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = = =
>
> Emperor Wilson
> WINS#6
>
> "Caesar si viveret, ad remum dareris." - Xanthippos
>
> Roy Wilson - rwilson9 at twcny.rr.com
> 2005-06-14
>
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 13:10:05 -0700
> From: "John Arrasjid" <johna at vmware.com>
> Subject: [TheForge] Steel Suppliers in SF Bay Area
> To: <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> Would any West Coast blacksmiths know of a good source of steel in the SF
> Bay
> Area? I live in Santa Cruz, CA but can easily get to San Jose and up the
> peninsula way.
> Shipping from LA and Seattle is getting cost prohibitive. I'm looking for
> a
> place where I can actually take my truck and pick it up.
>
> I've gone through a number of sites to try to identify a store, including
> Abana, but have not had much luck.
>
> Thanks in advance!
> john
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:07:32 -0400
> From: <debmiller at fuse.net>
> Subject: RE: RE: [TheForge] Re: music
> To: Sponsored by ABANA <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
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> Oh My!!! Bloodrock!! What that brings back memories....... DOA!!!!
>>
>> From: "Grover Richardson" <grover.richardson at gtri.gatech.edu>
>> Date: 2005/06/14 Tue AM 08:16:20 EDT
>> To: "'Sponsored by ABANA'" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: RE: RE: [TheForge] Re: music
>>
>> Bloodrock<G>. And for those times when nothing is happening, "The Great
>> Society," in it's later incarnations.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Dave Mudge
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2005 1:07 AM
>> To: 'Sponsored by ABANA'
>> Subject: RE: RE: [TheForge] Re: music
>>
>>
>> Adam Heart Mother, Atomic Rooster
>>
>> dave mudge
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> On Behalf Of rfertner at cox.net
>>
>> "Several small species of furry animals grooving together in a cave with
>> a
>> Pict"
>> >
>> > From: "Dave Mudge" <dave at magichammer.net>
>> >
>> > "watch out for that axe Eugene"
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> On Behalf Of John Husvar
>> >
>> >
>> > On Monday, June 13, 2005, at 08:30 AM, Grover Richardson wrote:
>> >
>> > > Metal, Heavy metal for thick stock<G>, acid rock (for those old
>> > > enough
>> > > to
>> > > know the term, and more importantly, understand that Kid Rock and
>> > > Donnie and
>> > > Marie are NOT metal).
>> > >
>> > > Hendrix and Ozzy for slow days. They are nothing but fast played
>> > > blues<G>.
>> > > But good.
>> >
>> > Heard on TV last evening: Pink Floyd will be having a reunion tour.
>> >
>> > Wonder why. Probably: "Money!"
>> >
>> >
>>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 16:12:25 -0400
> From: <debmiller at fuse.net>
> Subject: Re: RE: [TheForge] Re: music
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> And 50 is old??????
> I hit it in September myself
> Still think of myself as younger, as there are still a whole of people I
> am younger than......;-)
>
> Ray
> Cincinnati
>
>
>
>>
>> From: "Phlip" <phlip at 99main.com>
>> Date: 2005/06/14 Tue AM 09:36:18 EDT
>> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
>> Subject: Re: RE: [TheForge] Re: music
>>
>>
>> Ene bichizh ogsen baina shuu...
>>
>> > This has been an interesting thread...there is less diversity than I
>> > would have thought: having not done a detailed analysis, it seems like
>> > classic rock is in fat part of the curve, although there are some
>> > interesting divergences. It's heavier than I expected, too, and less
>> > country, bluegrass, and classical than I would have guessed. If had to
>> > call the demo, I would guess at a 35-45 year old, obviously (but
>> > unfortunately) mostly male crowd. I had a sense that we were an older
>> > crowd than that, partly because of the morbidity and mortality
>> > conversations that come up from time to time (maybe we just don't age
>> > well), and partly because some folks' memories seem to reach waaaay
>> > back.
>> >
>> > Speculation leading nowhere I suppose, but it's interesting to ponder.
>> >
>> > JRF
>>
>> Think you might want to increase the age range a bit. I included just
>> what
>> I've been listening to recently, but a lot of what was mentioned,
>> particularly the classic rock (including acid etc variations) is a lot of
>> my
>> favorite stuff, much of it from late 60s, early 70s. I graduated HS in
>> 71,
>> so that would put a lot of what we're listening to about the time of HS
>> or
>> college, making a lot of us in the 50 yo range ;-)
>>
>> Saint Phlip,
>> CoD
>>
>> "When in doubt, heat it up and hit it with a hammer."
>> Blacksmith's credo.
>>
>> If it walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck, it is probably not a
>> cat.
>>
>> Never a horse that cain't be rode,
>> And never a rider who cain't be throwed....
>>
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