[TheForge] Mokume-Gane

[george rousis]

i was only asking what process whoevever i originally replied to was going
to use.
i understand the processes (this said by no means am i a master of mokume
gane but ihave read some books and seen all the websites as of a few years
ago) and the cost /delicacy of materials and why you would use solid state,
although i was not going to write an essay to ask someone a question like...
how are you making your billet?
but thank you for your articulate explanation
by the way your work is wonderful don't think that i don't appreciate your
reply
i bellieve i had asked frosty or maybe wombat who started this thread with a
link to your website what method he would use because i was not sure that it
was something he waas doing or if hemight reply
oh no you misunderstood, i found this link and thought it was great and was
just sending it out into the mix because it is realy cool.

george

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "James Binnion" <jbin at well.com>
To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 2:22 AM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Mokume-Gane


>
> On Dec 16, 2005, at 10:22 PM, george rousis wrote:
>
> > I guess I was asking whether you would be using a gas  forge versus
> > solid
> > state
> > I generally use a gas forge but know a kid who uses the solid state
> > method.
> > Solid state has a much longer soak with your temperature specific
> > to your
> > combinaion of metals.
> > His billets seem to be weaker than mine, and give him problems during
> > forging
> > i was just wondering which type of diffusion bonding you would be
> > doing....
> >
> > but thank you for your explanation
> >
> > sorry i was unclear as to what i was asking
> >
> > george
> >
>
>
> All mokume is diffusion welded. Some is liquid phase diffusion
> welding and some is sold state diffusion welding. They both work well
> if done properly. Solid state allows you to do metal combinations
> that you just can't do with liquid phase but is more fragile in the
> beginning and requires more knowledge of proper heat treating and
> forging processes. Liquid phase requires a greater degree of operator
> skill ( when to pull it out of the forge) to do properly and is much
> easier to screw up (mokumelt) but can withstand more abuse when it is
> initially laminated. Melting a silver copper billet is somewhat
> painful but melting a gold one is a disaster. So I use solid state
> diffusion for greater control with expensive billets.
>
> James Binnion
> jbin at well.com
>
>
>
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