[TheForge] Brooms and Welding Cast

[Dan Tull]

Shirley, you are kidding.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Steve Smith" <sos at alum.mit.edu>
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Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 8:44 PM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Brooms and Welding Cast


> Do blacksmiths ever weld things that are less than 3/8" thick?
>
> Steve
>
> Dan Tull wrote:
>
>> What happened to  E7014?
>>
>>
>> NOT low Hydrogen. Out of shape, position,etc.
>> Why would you need 7018 for steel less than 3/8" tk?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Sproul" 
>> <brhlbsmt at mcttelecom.com>
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>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:07 PM
>> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Brooms and Welding Cast
>>
>>
>>> I'm not Frosty, but I'll throw in my 2 cents.
>>>
>>> 6011 - great AC fast freezing rod that will burn thru just about 
>>> anything
>>> and make it stick.
>>>
>>> 6013 and 7014 work very well  well as deposition/build up rods on DC
>>> straight polarity.  I'm not sure how they work on AC - been to long 
>>> since
>>> I've used a buzz box (better than 25 years now).
>>>
>>> 7018 is the best all around repair rod for repairs(when dealing with 
>>> fairly
>>> clean metal) as it's low hydrogen qualities lend it to a miraid of
>>> fastenings from mild steel to mild steel (general fabrication - where 
>>> ever
>>> the steel is coming from making it dissimilar), mild steel to low to 
>>> medium
>>> carbon steels (repairs of equipment and machines, like cutting edges on
>>> buckets, etc.), and low to mid carbon steels to abraision plate - again 
>>> for
>>> buckets.  You pretty much need DC reverse polarity for this rod to work 
>>> it's
>>> best.  Yes, they do make an AC rod - do I know if it works 
>>> well?......not
>>> really haven't tried it - I have four DC machines.
>>>
>>> I was asked to weld a cast iron chimney damper yesterday.  It was a 
>>> decent
>>> quality cast and it brazed well.  I've found trying to electric weld old
>>> fire exposed cast as a waste of time. The braze went well......used a 
>>> flux
>>> coated rod.......the flux color was
>>> Blue.  :-)
>>>
>>> Ralph
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>>> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Washington, Aubrey
>>> O.
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:42 AM
>>> To: Sponsored by ABANA
>>> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Brooms and Welding Cast
>>>
>>>
>>> Frosty,
>>> You certainly have described my experience with E6011...burnthrough 
>>> holes or
>>> sticking, depending on amps.  My impression is that 6013 is less prone 
>>> to
>>> burnthrough, but also penetrates less.  Or, maybe it's less prone to
>>> sticking at amp levels that don't burn through.
>>>
>>> Anyway, assuming I can clean up the joint to bare metal, what rod do you
>>> like for general fabricating and repair?
>>>
>>> Aubrey
>>>
>>> ________________________________
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>>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of frosty at customcpu.com
>>> Sent: Wed 12/14/2005 9:36 PM
>>> To: Sponsored by ABANA
>>> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Brooms and Welding Cast
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've gotten lots of encouragement in my life though I wasn't really 
>>> trying
>>> to
>>> be encourageing, I was just giving it to ya straight. <grin>
>>>
>>> E-6011 or 6013 are good fast freeze rods. I tend to favor 6013 for field
>>> repairs and out of position welds. Both are insensitive to dirt, grease,
>>> paint, water, etc. just like you find virtually anywhere on a drill rig.
>>>
>>> It's not the easiest to weld with though and doesn't like being 
>>> overamped.
>>> Overamping does help keep it from sticking but tends to make more
>>> burnthrough
>>> holes than it fills.
>>>
>>> Filling burnthrough holes. BOY have I filled holes! <grin>
>>>
>>> Frosty
>>>
>>>
>>> Quoting "Washington, Aubrey O." <awashington at ou.edu>:
>>>
>>>> Frosty,
>>>> Thanks for the encouragement.  I had been using mainly E6011 because of
>>>
>>> its
>>>
>>>> deep penetration and ability to work on the dirty scrap I have around 
>>>> the
>>>> shop.  But recently I tried some E6013 with somewhat prettier results. 
>>>> I
>>>> still need lots more practice.
>>>>
>>>> For those following the saga of the broke cast iron post drill part: 
>>>> Over
>>>> the weekend I got started forging a replacement part.  (Only had a 
>>>> couple
>>>
>>> of
>>>
>>>> hours in the shop, so I didn't get it finished.)  My plan is to try
>>>
>>> brazing
>>>
>>>> the original after I get the replacement finished.
>>>>
>>>> Aubrey
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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