[TheForge] Brooms and Welding Cast

[Steve Smith]

Do blacksmiths ever weld things that are less than 3/8" thick?

Steve

Dan Tull wrote:

> What happened to  E7014?
> 
> 
> NOT low Hydrogen. Out of shape, position,etc.
> Why would you need 7018 for steel less than 3/8" tk?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph Sproul" <brhlbsmt at mcttelecom.com>
> To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 1:07 PM
> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Brooms and Welding Cast
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>> I'm not Frosty, but I'll throw in my 2 cents.
>>
>> 6011 - great AC fast freezing rod that will burn thru just about anything
>> and make it stick.
>>
>> 6013 and 7014 work very well  well as deposition/build up rods on DC
>> straight polarity.  I'm not sure how they work on AC - been to long since
>> I've used a buzz box (better than 25 years now).
>>
>> 7018 is the best all around repair rod for repairs(when dealing with 
>> fairly
>> clean metal) as it's low hydrogen qualities lend it to a miraid of
>> fastenings from mild steel to mild steel (general fabrication - where 
>> ever
>> the steel is coming from making it dissimilar), mild steel to low to 
>> medium
>> carbon steels (repairs of equipment and machines, like cutting edges on
>> buckets, etc.), and low to mid carbon steels to abraision plate - 
>> again for
>> buckets.  You pretty much need DC reverse polarity for this rod to 
>> work it's
>> best.  Yes, they do make an AC rod - do I know if it works well?......not
>> really haven't tried it - I have four DC machines.
>>
>> I was asked to weld a cast iron chimney damper yesterday.  It was a 
>> decent
>> quality cast and it brazed well.  I've found trying to electric weld old
>> fire exposed cast as a waste of time. The braze went well......used a 
>> flux
>> coated rod.......the flux color was
>> Blue.  :-)
>>
>> Ralph
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
>> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net]On Behalf Of Washington, Aubrey
>> O.
>> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 9:42 AM
>> To: Sponsored by ABANA
>> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Brooms and Welding Cast
>>
>>
>> Frosty,
>> You certainly have described my experience with E6011...burnthrough 
>> holes or
>> sticking, depending on amps.  My impression is that 6013 is less prone to
>> burnthrough, but also penetrates less.  Or, maybe it's less prone to
>> sticking at amp levels that don't burn through.
>>
>> Anyway, assuming I can clean up the joint to bare metal, what rod do you
>> like for general fabricating and repair?
>>
>> Aubrey
>>
>> ________________________________
>>
>> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net on behalf of frosty at customcpu.com
>> Sent: Wed 12/14/2005 9:36 PM
>> To: Sponsored by ABANA
>> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Brooms and Welding Cast
>>
>>
>>
>> I've gotten lots of encouragement in my life though I wasn't really 
>> trying
>> to
>> be encourageing, I was just giving it to ya straight. <grin>
>>
>> E-6011 or 6013 are good fast freeze rods. I tend to favor 6013 for field
>> repairs and out of position welds. Both are insensitive to dirt, grease,
>> paint, water, etc. just like you find virtually anywhere on a drill rig.
>>
>> It's not the easiest to weld with though and doesn't like being 
>> overamped.
>> Overamping does help keep it from sticking but tends to make more
>> burnthrough
>> holes than it fills.
>>
>> Filling burnthrough holes. BOY have I filled holes! <grin>
>>
>> Frosty
>>
>>
>> Quoting "Washington, Aubrey O." <awashington at ou.edu>:
>>
>>> Frosty,
>>> Thanks for the encouragement.  I had been using mainly E6011 because of
>>
>> its
>>
>>> deep penetration and ability to work on the dirty scrap I have around 
>>> the
>>> shop.  But recently I tried some E6013 with somewhat prettier 
>>> results.  I
>>> still need lots more practice.
>>>
>>> For those following the saga of the broke cast iron post drill part: 
>>> Over
>>> the weekend I got started forging a replacement part.  (Only had a 
>>> couple
>>
>> of
>>
>>> hours in the shop, so I didn't get it finished.)  My plan is to try
>>
>> brazing
>>
>>> the original after I get the replacement finished.
>>>
>>> Aubrey
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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