[TheForge] eucalyptus charcoal

[schade at acegroup.cc]

  Walt.

I'm not sure what you are disagreeing with?

Bob
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On Aug 21, 2005, at 7:34 PM, Walter Mullett wrote:

> I don't believe this is true.  Grain production of all types is much 
> more
> productive then it ever was.  As a consequence, it is not profitable 
> enough
> for the average farmer in our area.  Only huge corporate farms with 
> hundreds
> of acres and the latest machinery can survive.  And with the last 50 
> years
> of housing pressure, much of our good farm land is being converted for
> housing areas. Not marginal land but really good farm land.
>
> I don't really like heavy corn production because it's really hard on 
> the
> land.  Besides that, the increase in production is a result of 
> petroleum
> based fertilizers and chemicals.  Doesn't really go hand in hand with 
> the
> environmentalists and bio-mass people.  However, it could be a step 
> (not a
> solution ) to a self-sustaining economy.  I just don't know what other 
> steps
> are needed.
>
> Part of the land use problem can be attributed to our governmental
> regulations.  In Ohio, most of the rural areas restrict housing to a 
> minimum
> frontage and acreage.  The result is narrow strips of land with the 
> house in
> the front and the back growing into scrub.  The fools that enacted 
> these
> restrictions 50 years ago thought they would stem the loss of farm 
> land.
> Instead, they hastened it.
>
> What we really needed was a recognition of the demand for rural 
> housing and
> to encourage (legislate) rural developments that co-existed with farm 
> land,
> not put it out of business.
>
> Most of the city folks that come to the country really don't want 
> rural life
> anyway.  They just want to get away from urban life.  The don't like 
> fields
> spread with liquid manure, farm implements slowing them on the road or 
> a pig
> farm next door.  They each have a light polluting "safety" light hung 
> on
> their service pole and some even have multiples.  They also don't want 
> the
> noise, crime and visual pollution of the city.  The problem is they 
> are the
> problem.....
>
> I personally like the dark and feel much safer.  I know where 
> everything is.
> Why show the thief?  I, like most farmers, also have a shotgun and I'm 
> not
> afraid to use it.  Something that I know is a concern to the would be 
> rural
> thief and therefore he is more likely to choose from the well lighted
> opportunities.
>
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> On Aug 21, 2005, at 5:29 PM, David E. Smucker wrote:
>
>>
>> One side effect of the use of Biomass fuel for power generation is the
>> cord wood for wood stoves in thoses areas goes up in market price.
>> Dave Smucker
>>
>
>
> This is the part of the argument that is often left out of the 
> "ethanol will
> save us" discussion.
>
> All the land that can grow corn now has corn on it. All that corn has a
> current use, animal feed, sweeteners, corn flakes etc. If you want to 
> make
> enuf ethanol to make a difference you are either going to have to 
> plant more
> corn on marginal land or bid up the price of the existing corn which 
> means
> higher prices for meat etc. Farmers (and ADM) like this option.
>
> I know you can make ethanol from other crops but none are as full of 
> sugar
> as corn which makes the conversion more expensive than just buying oil.
>
> We be screwed.
>
> Bob
>
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