[TheForge] Liability waiver suggestions

[Frederick Faller]

Rom, could you send it to

ffaller at rcn.com.

BTW, aware of the abuse issue, the parents of the girl
want to come and watch anyway (at my request). My son
is also taking the "lessons". I'm not taking any money
for the good deed.

ffaller

--- Ron Childers <munlaw2 at hcsmail.com> wrote:

> I tried to answer Fredrick but it bounced. We have a
> waiver signed by
> everyone who works or just plays around in
> Mockingbird Forge.
> Iforge #66 is required reading. Safety glasses are a
> must. 
> 
> Ron C
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net
> [mailto:theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf
> Of Clyde Wynia
> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2004 1:50 PM
> To: terry l. ridder; Sponsored by ABANA
> Subject: RE: [TheForge] Liability waiver suggestions
> 
> 
> 
> Terry, your attorney is speaking to a sexual
> harrassment situation, not
> personal injury to the student. And yes, that can be
> a big problem if you
> get a problem student (or a problem instructor).
> However, that doesn't mean
> you can't teach the young lady. If you're concerned
> with that problem, have
> another person, not necessarily another student,
> around. It also helps to
> keep your hands off her.
> 
> We have to be careful, but we can't stop helping
> other people because of a
> few bad examples. Take reasonable precautions, but
> don't run from every
> situation that has a remote threat or even random
> acts of kindness are out.
> The hold harmless and waiver agreements are not a
> guarantee, but they do
> discourage a lot of suits and can often save your
> tail if you do go to
> court. And keep in mind, we hear of these horrible
> nightmare suits, but they
> are pretty rare and most of us will never be
> involved in one. Keep your
> insurance up and your hands off the lady.
> 
> >
> > hello;
> >
> > i hate to be a wet blanket but here i go.
> >
> > just happened to be talking with one of the
> lawyers, who has been
> > working the 8 yr. legal nightmare, when your post
> came in. i asked
> > him what he would suggest. below is his
> paraphrased advice.
> >
> > 0. given the current climate concerning abuse of
> students by teachers it
> > would be better if you were able to find:
> >     a. other students to instruct so that it is
> not a one-on-one
> > instruction.
> >     b. failing that, find a female blacksmith in
> the area and direct the
> > young woman to them.
> >     c. failing that, run away from the situation.
> >
> > 1. contracts, waivers, and hold-harmless
> agreements are only as good as
> > the lawyers and courts decide. as enticing as the
> opportunity may be it
> > is a legal nightmare and possiblly a judical
> nightmare ( see above )
> > waiting to happen.
> >
> > On Wed, 13 Oct 2004, Frederick Faller wrote:
> >
> > frederick>
> > frederick> I have been asked to teach a young
> woman who wants to
> > frederick> learn basic blacksmithing as an
> extracurricular
> > frederick> project for school. I have spoken with
> her parents
> > frederick> about the "inherent dangers of
> blacksmithing" which we
> > frederick> all know can be managed. I am
> exclusively a "hand
> > frederick> smith" (no power tools - yet) so the
> dangers are
> > frederick> reduced somewhat. I do not want to get
> involved in any
> > frederick> regulatory issues for my smithy to make
> it a student
> > frederick> or apprentice fit place.
> > frederick>
> > frederick> The parents have agreed to sign a
> waiver,
> > frederick> acknowledging the dangers. Any
> suggestions?
> > frederick>
> > frederick> Anyone have a sample waiver wording I
> could borrow?
> > frederick>
> > frederick> Frederick Faller
> > frederick>
> >
> > --
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Frederick W. Faller
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