[TheForge] Re: reducing fuel costs by improving forge efficiency.

Sun Jul 25 15:11:56 EDT 2004

        Marc,  Let's see.........misappropriation.........

        I think this is another one of those "who dun it first"
things...........I
believe Ron Reil and Frosty mention the word "clamshell" forge on this list
about four years ago, and that is what triggered my thinking towards
something that might be approached from three out of four sides in the first
place.
        Then after watching the Clifton Ralph tapes a couple of times, I
liked his pile of bricks on the table with the burners he'd insert for
heating...........so, that idea had to go in to a forge somehow.
        ..........and the Johnson Gas Forge on first impression struck me as
a great idea with that "floating lid" to reflect the heat back to the work.
I just sorta took a few ideas and made something of them, that worked for
me.

        I love the way Marc used a lid with castable refractory in it, as
that is the weakness of my forge design.  The lid in mine has Kaowool M
board and works well, but doesn't hold up if you drop a piece of long steel
and
it goes up and cracks, punctures, or chunks out a piece of the top of the
forge.........  Oh no, I feel modification number 8 coming to the next forge
I build.   :-)

Ralph


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Godbout" <marc at ironringforge.com>
To: "Sponsored by ABANA" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 1:40 PM
Subject: RE: [TheForge] Re: reducing fuel costs by improving forge
efficiency.


> Feel free to appropriate any of my "intellectual" properties, just as
> long as you give proper credit. I want to make sure I get full credit
> for my 1st-level misappropriation of Ralph's work :-)
>
> --Marc
>
> On Sun, 2004-07-25 at 09:57, Michael H. Murphy wrote:
> > OOPPSS!!!
> >
> > Ralph, I grabbed it from one of your posts, and thought it was yours.
Sorry
> > Marc; didn't mean to misappropriate intellectual properties.
> >
> > Murf
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:theforge-
> > > bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ralph Sproul
> > > Sent: Sunday, July 25, 2004 9:40 AM
> > > To: Sponsored by ABANA
> > > Subject: Re: [TheForge] Re: reducing fuel costs by improving forge
> > > efficiency.
> > >
> > > Murf,  That was Marc's.  :-)
> > >
> > > Ralph
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Michael H. Murphy" <blacksmith at comcast.net>
> > > To: "'Sponsored by ABANA'" <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 4:17 PM
> > > Subject: RE: [TheForge] Re: reducing fuel costs by improving forge
> > > efficiency.
> > >
> > >
> > > > It was Ralph.  Here's the URL:
> > > > http://ironringforge.com/NewForgeSaga/New_Forge_Saga.html
> > > >
> > > > I saved this one to plagiarize (excuse me -- research) some of the
> > > ideas.
> > > >
> > > > Murf
> > > >
> > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > From: theforge-bounces at mailman.qth.net [mailto:theforge-
> > > > > bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Jerry Frost
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 1:25 PM
> > > > > To: Sponsored by ABANA
> > > > > Subject: Re: [TheForge] Re: reducing fuel costs by improving forge
> > > > > efficiency.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ralph Sproul (I think) designed a gas forge with a lifting lid and
> > > movable
> > > > > sidewalls. The lid is mounted on a trailer jack over a large
> > > rectangular
> > > > > refractory table. It's adjustable from minute to very large with
> > > minimal
> > > > > hassle.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have something similar on the drawing board (CRT) for when the
> > > shop's
> > > > > finished.
> > > > >
> > > > > Frosty
> > > > > ------------------------
> > > > > If it ain't forged
> > > > > it ain't real.
> > > > > Wrought iron is.
> > > > > The FrostWorks
> > > > >
> > > > > Meadow Lakes, AK.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Andy Vida" <osan at netlabs.net>
> > > > > To: <artgawk at thegrid.net>; "Sponsored by ABANA"
> > > <theforge at mailman.qth.net>
> > > > > Sent: Saturday, July 24, 2004 9:15 AM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [TheForge] Re: reducing fuel costs by improving forge
> > > > > efficiency.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dann;
> > > > > > > Helmut Hillenkamp built some  interesting forges that had a
big
> > > flat
> > > > > > > cast refractory bottom and an unattached dome top with the
burner
> > > > > built
> > > > > > > in. There were some ground level ports in the dome and one
could
> > > > > easily
> > > > > > > lift it off and on the work. The domes were from light
pressure
> > > tank
> > > > > > > ends lined with K-wool and could be placed wherever heat was
> > > > > desired.....PF
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This sparks ideas... many ideas.  Hassan like, Hassan *like*.
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