[TheForge] power hammer

Sat Jan 10 20:50:01 2004

I  agree that these hammers (the big ones)are  very impressive to work on
.ive had the opportunity to use a nazel 3b and a Chambersburg on a couple of
occasions. mostly just  playing  .
but what work would you need to get to justify the expense? I have a 100lb
beaudry and it has handled any task that I have put it to it was also quite
an expense for me to get it (bought it on e-bay) ship it and set it up its
only about 3500lbs...dont get me wrong ...when im rich I also want a giant
nazel .
ok ..... I want one now

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ries Niemi" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, January 10, 2004 7:39 PM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] power hammer

>
> Not  a single person has bid on that Nazel 5B on ebay, with a starting
> bid of $8500.
> Not actually surprising, when you realize that it would probably cost
> another $8500 to get it running in your shop, and that is assuming you
> have a shop where you could fit a hammer that big, no neighbors would
> complain, and you have enough power available to wire up that 20hp
> motor.
> In reality, there are always more of those big Nazels and Chambersburgs
> for sale than there are people who are willing to take on a project
> that big. I could find at least a half a dozen of em for sale within 15
> minutes on the internet. Weldon Stump Co (www.stumpco.com) Yoder,
> (www.yodermachinery.com), and Hoffmans, (www.hoffmanmachinery.com),
> three big used industrial machinery dealers, always have a few in
> stock, Bob Bergman at Postville Blacksmiths often has one- I think he
> has one now, and Wallace has one too, I think.
> While a lot of people may fantasize about a hammer that big, there are
> not very many people in the country who can really justify the cost of
> buying one, shipping it, building the foundation, making dies, wiring
> it up, and then maintaining and repairing it. A 30,000lb tool is a big
> committment. Much less have enough forging work big enough to actually
> need a hammer that big.
> And the going price for a Nazel- anwhere from $5000 to $20,000
> depending on size and condition, does tend to separate out the weekend
> hobbyiest types. Although, for a machine which if you could buy one new
> would cost over $100,000, as the last chambersburgs did, the prices are
> pretty darn cheap. You cant buy a rebuilt, low mileage $150,000 ferrari
> for $8500.
> I know Grant Sarver of Off Center Tool just picked up a 5B, a few miles
> from his shop, for less than half of the price of that one on EBAY. And
> I am sure the seller was glad to see it go. But Grant has owned lots of
> those big hammers over the years, and has a realistic attitude about
> what it will take to get it running in his shop. And Russell Jaque of
> Nimba forge is just getting his 750lb Chambersburg going. But I would
> bet that there are less than 50 500lb or bigger hammers running in
> artist blacksmith shops in the whole country, and even if there were a
> hundred of em for sale on Ebay, not many more shops would have one
> running.
> It is one big committment to own a tool that big.
>
> ries
>
> PS-
> I just looked- Hoffmans has 2 big Beche hammers- a 1500lb and a 4000lb.
> and
> Weldon Stump has a Nazel 4B, 5B, and 6B, and 1000lb and 3000lb
> Chambersburgs, and an 800lb and 1500lb Erie
> those big boys are out there, just waiting for you to ask em to dance.
>
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