[TheForge] O/T Survivor

Mon Jan 5 23:56:05 2004

I think you did get into this thread.
I looked around and although there is an abundance of websites with stats,
very very few come with believable verifiable sources.  On both sides.

cs

Andy Vida wrote:

> Bruce Freeman wrote:
> >
> > Darrell,
> >
> > You are entitled to your opinion concerning gun ownership.  However,
> > please don't give out false statistical "proof".  If you have
> > documentation to back the claim you make below, please cite it.  I have
> > reason to believe it is simply not true.  It is a claim that has been
> > circulating for some time now on the web, along with counterclaims.
>
>         Bruce, I'm not going to get into this thread ebcause I've
>         been through it so many times before in other places.  But
>         I will say that this has been proven so so completely in so
>         many ways that a little research will provide you with all
>         the relevant data you could possibly ever want.  FBI Uniform
>         Crime Reports show a clear and steady drop in violent crime
>         that is statistically very significant, particularly since
>         we have plateued at 32 states with concealed and open carry.
>
>         The stats for Oz, GB, Japan, etc, are also readily available.
>         Their crime rates are going through the roof.  My friend
>         Michael Lawrie lives in London and has attested to me that
>         the tighter the government has clamped down on firearms
>         ownership, the worse the crime rate has become, particularly
>         those committed with guns.
>
>         If the issue is sufficiently interesting to you, do some web
>         research and you will find a great abundance of information.
>
>         That's all I wil say on this.
>
>         -Andy
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