[TheForge] O/T Survivor

Fri Jan 2 19:26:03 2004

[email protected] wrote:

> Armed citizenry (VietCong) won the Vietnam War with our war surplus .30 
> cal. carbines and AK 47s. Many airstrikes and artillery barages were 
> launched against 100lb guys wearing black pajamas. I saw them.

Bob I believe the caveat was , without substantial aid from another 
country. As I remember both the Russians and the Chinese had some 
investment in that outcome.
> 
> If you are in doubt that we actually lost remember the picures of us 
> pushing Hueys overboard so that the last of our people could get out 
> before the embassy was over run. Not to mention the fact that Saigon is 
> now Ho Chi Mihn City.
> 
> Armed citizenry are currently giving the US Army quite a bit of trouble 
> in Iraq. Winner is yet to be decided.
>

Point conceded.

Hope you had a nice Ramehannakwanzmas.

Mike Graf
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> On Friday, January 2, 2004, at 05:28 PM, Ries Niemi wrote:
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>>
>> But I think it is a self congratulatory myth to think that an armed 
>> citizenry can make any kind of an effect against a modern army. That 
>> is something out of the movies. Modern weapons are breathtakingly 
>> powerful, and the logistics train of an army is usually 9 times the 
>> manpower of the fighting men. No war has been won by indigenous troops 
>> armed only with small arms in probably 200 years, without extensive 
>> monetary and armaments support from an outside government. That 
>> includes the american revolution. If we hadnt been able to buy real 
>> weapons from other european countries, and hadnt had a real army to 
>> begin with, we would still be a british colony today.The french gave 
>> us money, arms, and other support, for cash and for their own reasons.
>>  It is chest puffery to think that a bunch of average americans with 
>> deer rifles would be able to hold off a real army from any country, 
>> even our own. You need massive infrastructure to fight a modern war- 
>> everything from food to ammunition factories, to airports and mobile 
>> tank repair garages. It is not uncommon for a single infantryman to 
>> use 600 rounds of ammo a day- how much do you have on your hall closet 
>> shelf?
>> Having guns is fine, but it isnt going to replace our need for F16's.
>>
>> ries
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