[TheForge] O/T Survivor

Fri Jan 2 19:06:06 2004

Armed citizenry (VietCong) won the Vietnam War with our war surplus .30 
cal. carbines and AK 47s. Many airstrikes and artillery barages were 
launched against 100lb guys wearing black pajamas. I saw them.

If you are in doubt that we actually lost remember the picures of us 
pushing Hueys overboard so that the last of our people could get out 
before the embassy was over run. Not to mention the fact that Saigon is 
now Ho Chi Mihn City.

Armed citizenry are currently giving the US Army quite a bit of trouble 
in Iraq. Winner is yet to be decided.

Bob
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On Friday, January 2, 2004, at 05:28 PM, Ries Niemi wrote:
>
> But I think it is a self congratulatory myth to think that an armed 
> citizenry can make any kind of an effect against a modern army. That 
> is something out of the movies. Modern weapons are breathtakingly 
> powerful, and the logistics train of an army is usually 9 times the 
> manpower of the fighting men. No war has been won by indigenous troops 
> armed only with small arms in probably 200 years, without extensive 
> monetary and armaments support from an outside government. That 
> includes the american revolution. If we hadnt been able to buy real 
> weapons from other european countries, and hadnt had a real army to 
> begin with, we would still be a british colony today.The french gave 
> us money, arms, and other support, for cash and for their own reasons.
>  It is chest puffery to think that a bunch of average americans with 
> deer rifles would be able to hold off a real army from any country, 
> even our own. You need massive infrastructure to fight a modern war- 
> everything from food to ammunition factories, to airports and mobile 
> tank repair garages. It is not uncommon for a single infantryman to 
> use 600 rounds of ammo a day- how much do you have on your hall closet 
> shelf?
> Having guns is fine, but it isnt going to replace our need for F16's.
>
> ries
>
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