[TheForge] [YAK] Re: Small shop questions OT OT OT OT OT

Andy Vida osan at netlabs.net
Sat Aug 14 11:35:15 EDT 2004



Mike Spencer wrote:

> Umm, so, lessee now.  New Hampshire.  That's the place with "Live Free
> or Die" on the lisence plates.  Mind you, that's not a suggestion.
> It's a *order*.

	I hope so.
> 
> Friend of mine in NH nearly went to jail because he didn't believe the
> State should be able to oblige him to advertize any particular slogan
> or political position.  The DMV refused to give him plates without the
> slogan so he cut it off with tin snips.  They busted him.

	Once again, so much for freedom.

> Eventually he went with plates that still had the slogan but har been
> um... accidentally damaged by flying rocks -- quite a few of them -- just
> in that part where the slogan was.

	Cold comfort.
> 
> So: When all you come-from-away freedom dudes take over...er.. inhabit
> the Granite State, are folks going to be free *not* to advertize
> some pre-chosen slogan on their vehicles?  Eh?

	Of course not, but I would never expect any government of
	state to be free.  99.999999999% of the people crawling this
	world would sooner see that world turned to cinder than live
	by my personal vision of freedom.  Asd far as I can tell,
	most people do not want to be free.  They say that they do,
	but when it comes time to walk the talk, the change the talk,
	hemming and hawing about "that's not practical" and other
	such lame and cowardly excuses.  Real freedom is shit-scary
	stuff half the time, and the greatest rush the rest of it.
	And it requires personal accountability for one's actions.
	What proportion of the US population does one really think
	up to such living?  1%?  Maybe not even that.  Too many
	generations of poisioned thinking ot overcome, though a true
	global natural catasptrophe would reset all of that in short
	time for all who wish to continue to live.  But I will not
	hold my breath.
> 
> Maybe you should start with just one township, say, Odell, NH.
> Quoting from the Statistical Gazeteer of New Hampshire (1875),
> 
>       ODELL, Coos County.  In 1860 the town had one white inhabitant.
>       In 1870 the person had died or moved away.
> 
> Not too sure what the population of Odell is now but it was around a
> dozen hast time I heard a number.  Most of the land is owned by paper
> companies so there's a nice, ready-made liberation issue right on your
> door-step.

	But there are county and state laws that would have to be
	defeated, or ignored.  How will you keep drug agents out?
	How do you allow people to walk around freely with guns
	without permits or the state police marching in and arresting
	everyone?  Build a wall and start shooting when they come
	around the bend?  Perhaps a nice idea in some respects, but
	not good from the standpoint of ending up any better than the
	Freemen.

	I believe that any effort that stood to succeed to extricate
	a state from this rotten system of law and thinking that we
	find ourselves entangled in would be assaulted by very strong
	forces.  I don't think it could succeed or survive for very
	long, but I would be happy to be proven wrong and I think it is
	well worth the effort.  But where would such coherence of vision
	come from?  Such fortitude to stay a course of fundamental change
	and not sweat the small stuff like stupid abortion issues that
	serve no purpose but to add significant drag to a plan of action?
	I think humans are notorious for letting petty issues destroy
	larger visions.

	NH could become The Blacksmith State.


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