[TheForge] ABANA Web site

[Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer]

Hello Dave and Jack
The CBA charges $4 or $5 for a tape loan and requires a deposit check. 
Steve Volts , our library guy, has put a huge amount of his time into it 
and done his usual fine job.
"non profit does not mean no income "
In light of the  education orientation of our org, One would think that  
the library is a central function, and like the publications should be 
subsidized if necessary.
 Tapes are pretty cheap, the cost is in the time it takes to make the 
copies I assume. There is some economy of scale applicable as well, I'm 
sure.
 For me, having chosen artistic freedom over income perhaps a little too 
much, the cost of the ABANA tapes  makes them mostly  inaccessable .
 Since most ABANA conferences happen  in  the eastern part of the 
country, they too are mostly out of reach.
So, my ABANA membership is a subscription to  the magazines, to 
over-state it a bit.
This ,most adamantly, is not to denigrate the fine work and generous 
contribution  of  the days from your lives that you put into ABANA.
  It would be nothing without you guys and that's  certainly appreciated.
I'm just gently trying to tug it in what I see as it's intended direction.
 Economic barriers to entry and use of the primary organs of the org's 
core values should be minimized.
Gee that sounds pompass..think I'll fart now just for balance......Pete

lama wrote:

>Pete, to answer your question,
>Check the Division List on the website.
>It is under Membership Services and Clare is head of the committee
>http://www.abana.org.cnchost.com/business/division_chart.shtml
>non profit does not mean no income and to repete what Jack Andrews says,
>"One of the problems with that the ABANA video library has faced is the
>constant need to make new tapes after they are damaged. The master
>tapes are not circulated. This happens as a result of heavy use and
>being bounced around by the USPS. Normal use is about 6 to 10 times, so
>you can see that the expense is in making new tapes.
>DVD's next?
>jack andrews"
>
>Are you in California? How does the California group do it? What does it
>cost there?
>You are welcome to join my local group LAMA http://lametalsmiths.org/news/
>and rent our videos. We have over 80 to choose from. Many of the affilliates
>have
>very good video libraries.
>dave mudge
>
>----- Original Message ----- 
>From: "Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer" <artgawk@thegrid.net>
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>>It seems to me, from way out here on the far left coast, that the prices
>>ABANA charges to rent videos was excessive for a non-profit whose main
>>goal is education. The , um, associates are able to do it for much less.
>>What am I missing here?
>>I hear it's a good time to buy Southern Calif foothill property... lots
>>of free charcoal  and annealed rebar too.
>> sweating out the fire season.......Pete F
>>
>>lama wrote:
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>>>Gee Scott I don't know the answer to that one as I don't run the
>>>video library. ABANA is a big outfit with a pretty good budget.
>>>I would imagine that we have the best quality videos available
>>>but since I haven't personally rented any, I can't tell you for sure.
>>>Guess you'll have to rent some and let us know if the quality of
>>>the tape is worth the price of the rental.
>>>Dave Mudge
>>>
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>>>>>>the meantime, the video library is alive and well at the address
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>above.
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>>>>>dave mudge
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>>>>        Are all of the videos originals and in good shape?  Most
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>>>libraries
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>>>>that I've seen have 3rd or 4th gen copies that you can barely see and
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>hear
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>>>>less over the scritching...
>>>>Scott
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