[TheForge] Subject: Suggestions needed forscroungeablesteel

[Dan Tull]

Mr. Ross almost always uses only hand hammer.
dan tull
georgia
abba, afc, S.C. psba, obg,sofa
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bruce Freeman" <FREEMAB@pt.fdah.com>
To: <theforge@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2003 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Subject: Suggestions needed forscroungeablesteel


> It makes me wonder if Peter Ross was trying to do it with a hand hamer! 
> No doubt he knows what he's talking about, but forge welds become a LOT
> easier with a massive hammer.  The weld takes first try, no bouncing or
> missing.  How massive a hammer depends upon how massive the piece being
> welded.
>  
> Bruce
> NJ
> 
> >>> osan@netlabs.net 11/19/2003 1:15:49 PM >>>
> 
> 
> 
> Bruce Freeman wrote:
> > 
> > Ken,
> > 
> > Case-hardened mild steel is not suitable for a hammer face.  The
> depth
> > of hard steel is to little (perhaps 1/16") and in some cases a hard
> face
> > on a soft base can be counterproductive.  Andy Vida tried this idea
> (not
> > case-hardened, but some commercially applied hardfacing) and the
> > hardfacing shattered, IIRC.  Not good.
> 
>     That was on a hammer die.  The problem there was the face was
>     only about 1/4" thick.  Should have been at least 1/2" or even
>     3/4, but it was $$ enough at 1/4".  As you recall it was an
>     experiment in potential materials for facing anvils.
> > 
> > By "facing" I meant the addition of a significant chunk of hard
> steel.
> > This would probably have to be welded on.  In principle it could be
> > forge-welded on, but in practice that might be a bitch to do.
> 
>     I remember Peter Ross telling a crowd what a bitch it can be
>     to forge weld a 1" square face onto a hammer head.  He said
>     as you get larger the bitch-factor goes way up.  Gives some
>     perspective on the skill of the smiths who used to weld the
>     faces on to anvils... even small ones.
> 
> > Conceivably it could be attached in another way, say by loop and
> wedge,
> > like top tools on Spencer's TH, but that merely changes how the
> welding
> > has to be done.
> 
>     It could also be jump-welded, but I think you would have a
>     time of finding someone with an apparatus capable of doing
>     a weld that size.
> > 
> > Thanks for the Fazzio's contact info.  I hve visted them, but
> they're
> > too far away for frequent trips.  I just requested a quote.  However,
> I
> > suspect places like Fazzio's are not too common...
> 
>     Head down to Beacon in Freehold one night before dropping in
>     on Marshal.  They may have what you seek.
> 
>     Oh, another possibility: machine the head and anvil to
>     accept dies like a power hammer.  MOre involved, yes, 
>     but opens up some interesting top and bottom tool 
>     possibilities, especially if you have a quick change
>     mount... but perhaps this is getting a bit afield of
>     the intended simplicity behind the design.
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