[TheForge] re swearing et al--new topic
Dan Tull
[email protected]
Mon Jul 28 09:34:00 2003
A forge would be a good start.
dan tull
georgia
abba, afc, S.C. psba, obg,sofa
----- Original Message -----
From: "Grover Richardson" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 8:07 AM
Subject: RE: [TheForge] re swearing et al--new topic
> Large grin<G>. If life was that simple it would be easy. Words do
> kill. However, in your estimate I agree<G>.
>
> Along those lines, I have the following tools:
>
> Chop saw blade for my skill wood saw
> Cutting hardy
> A small assortment of hammers
> A small assortment of tongs
> An anvil (of course)
> Vices (metal<G>)
> Stumps
>
> What should I consider as the next tool I should purchase.
>
> I do "primitive" handmade items in a primitive shop (tripods, plant
> hangers, letter openers etc.). Not period correct, just what I can
> afford at this time.
>
> And yes, I do this because it's serious fun.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [email protected]
> [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of TOOL GYPSY
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 7:38 PM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: [TheForge] re swearing et al
>
>
> I swear a lot, but i try not to judge.I have a lot of friends but i dont
>
> care what others think of me.i like to give money to street people
> because
> that could easily be me or you.I like to beat on hot metal because its
> fun.So lets stop whinning and waxing poetic to see who is the best
> person
> and get back to beating iron.
>
>
> Paddy P the Wanna B
> >From: [email protected]
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> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: TheForge digest, Vol 4 #468 - 13 msgs
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:46:02 -0400 (EDT)
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> > 1. RE: BS within BS (Grover Richardson)
> > 2. Re: Coal fire starter (Paul Hewitt)
> > 3. Air hammer ([email protected])
> > 4. Re: anvil pointing (A. Vida)
> > 5. Re: BS within BS (A. Vida)
> > 6. Touch mark stamps (Steve Bloom)
> > 7. Re: Touch mark stamps (Ralph E Douglass)
> > 8. Re: BS within BS (Reynolds)
> > 9. RE: Touch mark stamps (Roger R Degner)
> > 10. Re: BS within BS ([email protected])
> > 11. Re: Touch mark stamps (Dragons Watch Forge)
> > 12. RE: anvil pointing (D.E. (Donn) Barnes)
> > 13. Re: Touch mark stamps ([email protected])
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 1
> >From: "Grover Richardson" <[email protected]>
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Subject: RE: [TheForge] BS within BS
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:26:12 -0400
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >
> >I teach my children that if I hear profanity, I better see blood or
> >broken bones. Some times there is no more descriptive expression. It
> >is not a matter of I Q nor learning.
> >
> >The reason some expressions are forbidden, the subsequent euphamisms
> >which arrise, and are subsequently forbidden, and why some words are
> >chosen as such,,,,,, well,,,,, are just plain wicked<G>.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [email protected]
> >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Fels And
> >Phoebe Palmer
> >Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:00 AM
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: [TheForge] BS within BS
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Oh Evelyn; She's a blacksmith and should be commended for using
> >profanity as seldom as she does. Profanity is within the normal range
> >of
> >
> >human expression and goes back before the founding of our language.
> >The
> >
> >context in which she applied it was well suited to exactly the feeling
>
> >she wished to communicate. Given the range and style of her interests
> >and accomplishments....it would be hard to argue that her IQ was in any
>
> >way lacking. Priggery before the forge is an abomination...at least.
> >Perhaps you should take up chewing tobacco and learn to spit as
> >compensation?................Pete F
> >
> >Evelyn Hart wrote:
> >
> >
> > >>philip,
> > >>
> > >>You show your I Q when you have to use profanity to describe the
> > >>smoke
> >
> > >>from your fire ( or any other item).
> > >>
> > >>Bobby Hart
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
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> >Message: 2
> >From: "Paul Hewitt" <[email protected]>
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Subject: Re: [TheForge] Coal fire starter
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 08:46:43 -0700
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >
> >Didn't someone say never work cold steel on the anvil........
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Bruce Freeman" <[email protected]>
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 5:25 AM
> >Subject: Re: [TheForge] Coal fire starter
> >
> >
> > > I'll bet there's some trick to it that you just didn't see. There's
>
> > > no question you can get steel hot from hammering if you hammer fast
> > > enough. I've seen it done on a power hammer - no sweat. My guess
> > > is that when you make up your "match" you put some kind of a bend in
>
> > > it a few inches back from the tip. Done right, this might make the
> > > point bounce up off the anvil face between blows, so the heat from
> > > each blow isn't sucked away from the anvil. Maybe I'll try this and
>
> > > report back. If I'm feeling energetic enough.
> > >
> > > Bruce
> > > NJ
> > >
> > > >>> [email protected] 07/24/03 01:00PM >>>
> > > <snip>
> > >
> > > Has anyone seen a "Blacksmiths Match" the Smith I learnt this
>
> > > from took a small diameter mild rod and hammered the end square and
> > > tapered it round
> > > while cold and he hit hard and very fast the heat generated was
> enough
> > > to start
> > > his fire. Saw him do it twice, I haven't been able to replicate it.
> We
> > >
> > > started his forge with sawdust/chips with 4 to 6 wooden kitchen
> > > matches buried head out. I still cant hit that rod hard and fast
> > > enough to light a match.
> > >
> > >
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> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 3
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:46:20 -0400
> >From: [email protected]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: [TheForge] Air hammer
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >
> >
> >Thanks for the patent #. I really enjoied looking at the drawings. I
> am
> >however desiring to better understand the double piston idea. Are you
> >using two cylinders to lift the tup? Or are you using them to push it
> up as
> >in the Kick Ass hammer? I really want to get away from relying on a
> >compressor to to run the hammer as in the Kynion (sp) style hammers
> I've
> >built before even though they work well, I still want to not run my
> sqeezer
> >anymore than I must.
> >
> >Trusting HIM,
> >Steve Rollert
> >keenedgeknives.com
> >doveknives.com
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 4
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:58:44 -0700
> >From: "A. Vida" <[email protected]>
> >Organization: Proof Technologies
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [TheForge] anvil pointing
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >
> >
> > On a few occasions I have been told I had my anvil oriented for
> > a left hander. Never paid it any mind. For me, the horn to my
> > right works better for curves. One thing I greatly respect in
> > Peter Ross, beyond his high art, is that he always emphasizes
> > that one size doesn't fit all in terms of how to perform any
> > given operation. If you like your horn to the right, then place
> > it that way. I don't think there are any rights or wrongs
> > where things such as this are concerned. If it works for you
> > and you're not injuring anyone, then that is the way you do it.
> >
> > Several years ago at Gichner's, one of the demonstrators went
> > on and on about how there was only one right way to address
> > the anvil (i.e. stand next to it), and any other way is simply
> > WRONG. While I agree that such absolutes exist, they are few
> > and far between, comparatively speaking. I would further
> > suggest that anyone instructing another in this art should take
> > care in urging folks to never deviate from a technique, that
> there
> > is only ONE right way. I think some folks have to tailor a
> > technique to their own best use.
> >
> >
> >Jerry Frost wrote:
> > >
> > > Being almost entirely self taught, at least till I was introduced to
> > > theforge and Artmetal lists nobody told me which way to point my
> anvil.
> >So I
> > > positioned it entirely depending on how well it worked for what I
> was
> >doing
> > > at the time.
> > >
> > > If I have a good solid floor I'll turn it to suit during heats.
> Right
> >now
> > > it's sitting on gravel so turning it tends to make it rock or tip so
> I
> > > positioned it far enough away from anything I can work all round it
> as
> > > suits.
> > >
> > > Reading George's description of the which/whys of pointing the horn
> I
> > > realized it's for the same reasons I turn mine.
> > >
> > > So I find myself pointing the horn to the right for turning the
> >decorative
> > > stuff and to the left for the more industrial type work.
> > >
> > > Frosty
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 5
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:15:47 -0700
> >From: "A. Vida" <[email protected]>
> >Organization: Proof Technologies
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [TheForge] BS within BS
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >
> >
> >
> >Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer wrote:
> > >
> > > Oh Evelyn; She's a blacksmith and should be commended for using
> > > profanity as seldom as she does. Profanity is within the normal
> range of
> > > human expression and goes back before the founding of our language.
> The
> > > context in which she applied it was well suited to exactly the
> feeling
> > > she wished to communicate. Given the range and style of her
> interests
> > > and accomplishments....it would be hard to argue that her IQ was in
> any
> > > way lacking.
> > > Priggery before the forge is an abomination...at least.
> > > Perhaps you should take up chewing tobacco and learn to spit as
> > > compensation?................Pete F
> > >
> > > Evelyn Hart wrote:
> > >
> > > >>philip,
> > > >>
> > > >>You show your I Q when you have to use profanity to describe the
> smoke
> >from
> > > >>your fire ( or any other item).
> > > >>
> > > >>Bobby Hart
> >
> > I would be interested to see the proof of the implied assertion
> > that the use of so-called "profanity" links to IQ. It's amazing
> > to see the degree to which people will invent from the thin air
> > just to make some point. I also find it interesting that so
> many
> > people will engage in such ad hominem attacks just because of
> > differences of opinion. If I don't like the fact that someone
> > uses language in a certain manner, how is it that I might find
> > myself justified in judging them as being of low intelligence
> > because of it? This constitutes a pretty glaring nonsequitur.
> > And besides, it's kind of mean, don't you think? Perhaps not
> > intentionally so, but mean in any event.
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 6
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:56:36 -0400
> >To: [email protected]
> >From: Steve Bloom <[email protected]>
> >Subject: [TheForge] Touch mark stamps
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >
> >Greetings all --
> >
> > I've been asked to forward a request for information. Clyde Payton
> >(FABA) wants to buy a touch mark stamp (anvil outline with 'Payton
> Forge'
> >inside the outline). Apparently Centaur Forge has discontinued their
> >source. Any suggestions for Cylde? I'll gather the comments, echo
> them to
> >Cylde and back to the list just in case anyone needs the compilation.
> >
> >Steve
> >Steve Bloom, IronFlower Forge. Archer, FL
> > Webmaster for the FABA web site:
> > www.blacksmithing.org
> >
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 7
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:06:26 -0700
> >From: Ralph E Douglass <[email protected]>
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [TheForge] Touch mark stamps
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >
> >Steve Bloom wrote:
> > >
> > > Greetings all --
> > >
> > > I've been asked to forward a request for information. Clyde
> Payton
> > > (FABA) wants to buy a touch mark stamp (anvil outline with 'Payton
> >Forge'
> > > inside the outline). Apparently Centaur Forge has discontinued their
> > > source. Any suggestions for Cylde? I'll gather the comments, echo
> them
> >to
> > > Cylde and back to the list just in case anyone needs the
> compilation.
> >
> >Seems the best bet is to find a local machineshop/tool&die place with
> an
> >EDM and have them make it.
> >
> >Ralph
> >--
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >"Good is the enemy of Excellent. Talent is not necessary for
> Excellence.
> >Persistence is necessary for Excellence. And Persistence is a
> Decision."
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 8
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [TheForge] BS within BS
> >From: "Reynolds" <[email protected]>
> >Cc:
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:07:51 -0400 (EDT)
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >
> >
> >
> >We've been down this road before and your reasoning and logic is still
> >.....lacking.
> >
> >Curse all you feel so motivated, but do so because you are boorish;
> don't
> >justify your behavior because ancient civilizations did so.
> >
> >By your reasoning we should also engage in infant sacrifice because the
>
> >Phoenicians did, after all they created the alphabet, were the first to
>
> >predict a solar eclipse and invented glass! The Augustin and Flavian
> >emperor families of Roman frequently engaged in incest by marrying
> sisters
> >and nieces -- do you want to emulate that behavior too? Murder, lying
> and
> >stealing were common in all ancient civilzations so I am left to
> presume
> >you would advocate more of those behaviors, also.
> >
> >I was a world class swearing fool. But I did so because I was unable to
>
> >control my anger and "everyone else did it." I wasn't doing so because
> it
> >was a long human tradition.
> >
> >When your 13-year-old comes home and tells you one of his buddies got
> >kicked out of school for smoking opium, are you going to tell him they
> were
> >wrong to boot him because it is a long tradition in many cultures? I
> think
> >not.
> >
> >You are probably a bang-up blacksmith, but as a logician you fail
> >miserably. If you want to argue a point and use pitiful reasoning,
> expect
> >to be excoriated.
> >
> >Reynolds
> >
> >
> >
> > --- On Fri 07/25, Bruce Freeman < [email protected] > wrote:
> >From: Bruce Freeman [mailto: [email protected]]
> >To: [email protected]
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 08:43:54 -0400
> >Subject: Re: [TheForge] BS within BS
> >
> >Apes have been raised to speak American sign language. When
> >they're<br>upset with someone they often call him "dirty" using signs
> >usually<br>reserved for excreta. So profanity goes a long way
> >back!<br><br>>>> [email protected] 07/25/03 02:00AM
> >>><br><br>Profanity
> >is within the normal range of <br>human expression and goes back
> before
> >the founding of our language.
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> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 9
> >From: "Roger R Degner" <[email protected]>
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Subject: RE: [TheForge] Touch mark stamps
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:18:07 -0500
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >
> >You can buy reverse letter/number stamps from MSC and make your own.
> >The stamp alignment is easier to make with straight stock by having the
> >stamp parent material clamped in a vise with another piece slightly
> >taller to align the letters but with practice a good eye and a steady
> >hand it could be done.
> >OR
> >The Rob Gunter way.
> >Start with an Allen wrench and the same size Allen head cap screw. Cut
> >the socked off the head of the screw and weld it into a fixture. Bolt
> >the fixture to another piece of steel marking were the socket is.
> >Unbolt the fixture and engrave/stamp your design there. Bolt back
> >together. Heat the very end of the straightened Allen wrench with a
> >torch again stressing only the very end, you don't want to upset the
> >wrench into the socket. Place the headed wrench into the fixture
> >striking 3 times. Unbolt, drive the wrench out, grind so it will fit
> >the socket. Heat the end again and put it into the fixture making sure
> >it is the same way as the first time strike 3 times and continue until
> >it is deep enough. The stamp can be used cold into lead to test.
> >
> >Roger R Degner
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [email protected]
> >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Bloom
> >Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 1:57 PM
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: [TheForge] Touch mark stamps
> >
> >
> >Greetings all --
> >
> > I've been asked to forward a request for information. Clyde Payton
> >(FABA) wants to buy a touch mark stamp (anvil outline with 'Payton
> >Forge'
> >inside the outline). Apparently Centaur Forge has discontinued their
> >source. Any suggestions for Cylde? I'll gather the comments, echo
> them
> >to
> >Cylde and back to the list just in case anyone needs the compilation.
> >
> >
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 10
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:33:53 -0500
> >To: [email protected]
> >From: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [TheForge] BS within BS
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >
> > If you want to argue a point and use pitiful reasoning, expect to be
> >excoriated.
> > >
> > >Reynolds
> > >
> >
> >
> >Excoriated?? I couldn't even find that one in my dictionary (don't
> bother I
> >don't care that much). It sounds pretty bad tho...personally I'd rather
>
> >just be told to go fuck myself.
> >
> >Now is that logical?
> >
> >Bob Schade (boorish?)
> >
> >btw the only power bad words have is that given them by those that
> don't
> >like them. Thanks for keeping bad words bad cuz I sure as hell like
> using
> >them.
> >
> >Damn!
> >
> >
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 11
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:33:19 -0500
> >From: Dragons Watch Forge <[email protected]>
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [TheForge] Touch mark stamps
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >
> >Uncle Al at Riverside Machine in DeQueen, AR. can get them, his url is:
> >http://www.riversidemachine.net/
> >
> >Larry
> >
> >Steve Bloom wrote:
> >
> > > Greetings all --
> > >
> > > I've been asked to forward a request for information. Clyde
> Payton
> > > (FABA) wants to buy a touch mark stamp (anvil outline with 'Payton
> > > Forge' inside the outline). Apparently Centaur Forge has
> discontinued
> > > their source. Any suggestions for Cylde? I'll gather the comments,
> > > echo them to Cylde and back to the list just in case anyone needs
> the
> > > compilation.
> > >
> > > Steve
> > > Steve Bloom, IronFlower Forge. Archer, FL
> > > Webmaster for the FABA web site:
> > > www.blacksmithing.org
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > http://mailman.qth.net/mailman/listinfo/theforge
> > > theforge mail list group photo site is
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> > > password: anvil
> > > ___________
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >--__--__--
> >
> >Message: 12
> >From: "D.E. (Donn) Barnes" <[email protected]>
> >To: <[email protected]>
> >Subject: RE: [TheForge] anvil pointing
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:32:26 -0500
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >
> >Between myself and a friend down the road we own about 3 dozen anvils
> of
> >various sizes and makers. Following this thread I thought I could use =
> >all
> >those anvils to do a very scientific double blind research project =
> >(cause I
> >can hardly see out of either eye) to determine the preferences of the =
> >old
> >area smiths and farriers. We lined them all up and examined them for =
> >wear on
> >the edges. The greatest majority had obviously been used with horn to =
> >the
> >right. The old Hay Budden I use, which came out of the old smithy on
> the
> >square here in town, I keep with the horn to the left. This suits me, =
> >but
> >the old wear is all on the other side. Therefore I conclude that the
> old
> >guys, at least around these parts, liked the horn to the right.
> >
> >Donn
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: [email protected] =
> >[mailto:[email protected]]
> >On Behalf Of A. Vida
> >Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 12:59 PM
> >To: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [TheForge] anvil pointing
> >
> >
> >
> > On a few occasions I have been told I had my anvil oriented for
> > a left hander. Never paid it any mind. For me, the horn to my
> > right works better for curves. One thing I greatly respect in
> > Peter Ross, beyond his high art, is that he always emphasizes
> > that one size doesn't fit all in terms of how to perform any
> > given operation. If you like your horn to the right, then place
> > it that way. I don't think there are any rights or wrongs=20
> > where things such as this are concerned. If it works for you
> > and you're not injuring anyone, then that is the way you do it.
> >
> > Several years ago at Gichner's, one of the demonstrators went
> > on and on about how there was only one right way to address
> > the anvil (i.e. stand next to it), and any other way is
> simply=20
> > WRONG. While I agree that such absolutes exist, they are few=20
> > and far between, comparatively speaking. I would further
> > suggest that anyone instructing another in this art should take
> > care in urging folks to never deviate from a technique, that
> there
> > is only ONE right way. I think some folks have to tailor a=20
> > technique to their own best use.
> >
> >
> >Jerry Frost wrote:
> > >=20
> > > Being almost entirely self taught, at least till I was introduced
> to=20
> > > theforge and Artmetal lists nobody told me which way to point my=20
> > > anvil. So I positioned it entirely depending on how well it worked
> for =
> >
> > > what I was doing at the time.
> > >=20
> > > If I have a good solid floor I'll turn it to suit during heats.
> Right=20
> > > now it's sitting on gravel so turning it tends to make it rock or
> tip=20
> > > so I positioned it far enough away from anything I can work all
> round=20
> > > it as suits.
> > >=20
> > > Reading George's description of the which/whys of pointing the horn
> I=20
> > > realized it's for the same reasons I turn mine.
> > >=20
> > > So I find myself pointing the horn to the right for turning the=20
> > > decorative stuff and to the left for the more industrial type work.
> > >=20
> > > Frosty
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> >Message: 13
> >Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:42:23 -0500
> >To: [email protected]
> >From: [email protected]
> >Subject: Re: [TheForge] Touch mark stamps
> >Reply-To: [email protected]
> >
> >http://www.harpermfg.com/hm_customknife.html
> >
> >
> >
> > >Greetings all --
> > >
> > > I've been asked to forward a request for information. Clyde
> Payton
> > >(FABA) wants to buy a touch mark stamp (anvil outline with 'Payton
> Forge'
> > >inside the outline). Apparently Centaur Forge has discontinued their
> > >source. Any suggestions for Cylde? I'll gather the comments, echo
> them
> >to
> > >Cylde and back to the list just in case anyone needs the compilation.
> > >
> > >Steve
> > >Steve Bloom, IronFlower Forge. Archer, FL
> > > Webmaster for the FABA web site:
> > > www.blacksmithing.org
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