[TheForge] re swearing et al
TOOL GYPSY
[email protected]
Fri Jul 25 19:43:00 2003
I swear a lot, but i try not to judge.I have a lot of friends but i dont
care what others think of me.i like to give money to street people because
that could easily be me or you.I like to beat on hot metal because its
fun.So lets stop whinning and waxing poetic to see who is the best person
and get back to beating iron.
Paddy P the Wanna B
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> 1. RE: BS within BS (Grover Richardson)
> 2. Re: Coal fire starter (Paul Hewitt)
> 3. Air hammer ([email protected])
> 4. Re: anvil pointing (A. Vida)
> 5. Re: BS within BS (A. Vida)
> 6. Touch mark stamps (Steve Bloom)
> 7. Re: Touch mark stamps (Ralph E Douglass)
> 8. Re: BS within BS (Reynolds)
> 9. RE: Touch mark stamps (Roger R Degner)
> 10. Re: BS within BS ([email protected])
> 11. Re: Touch mark stamps (Dragons Watch Forge)
> 12. RE: anvil pointing (D.E. (Donn) Barnes)
> 13. Re: Touch mark stamps ([email protected])
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>Message: 1
>From: "Grover Richardson" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: [TheForge] BS within BS
>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:26:12 -0400
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>
>I teach my children that if I hear profanity, I better see blood or
>broken bones. Some times there is no more descriptive expression. It
>is not a matter of I Q nor learning.
>
>The reason some expressions are forbidden, the subsequent euphamisms
>which arrise, and are subsequently forbidden, and why some words are
>chosen as such,,,,,, well,,,,, are just plain wicked<G>.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Peter Fels And
>Phoebe Palmer
>Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 2:00 AM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [TheForge] BS within BS
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>
>Oh Evelyn; She's a blacksmith and should be commended for using
>profanity as seldom as she does. Profanity is within the normal range of
>
>human expression and goes back before the founding of our language. The
>
>context in which she applied it was well suited to exactly the feeling
>she wished to communicate. Given the range and style of her interests
>and accomplishments....it would be hard to argue that her IQ was in any
>way lacking.
>Priggery before the forge is an abomination...at least.
>Perhaps you should take up chewing tobacco and learn to spit as
>compensation?................Pete F
>
>Evelyn Hart wrote:
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> >>philip,
> >>
> >>You show your I Q when you have to use profanity to describe the smoke
>
> >>from your fire ( or any other item).
> >>
> >>Bobby Hart
> >
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>Message: 2
>From: "Paul Hewitt" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: Re: [TheForge] Coal fire starter
>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 08:46:43 -0700
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>
>Didn't someone say never work cold steel on the anvil........
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Bruce Freeman" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 5:25 AM
>Subject: Re: [TheForge] Coal fire starter
>
>
> > I'll bet there's some trick to it that you just didn't see. There's no
> > question you can get steel hot from hammering if you hammer fast enough.
> > I've seen it done on a power hammer - no sweat. My guess is that when
> > you make up your "match" you put some kind of a bend in it a few inches
> > back from the tip. Done right, this might make the point bounce up off
> > the anvil face between blows, so the heat from each blow isn't sucked
> > away from the anvil. Maybe I'll try this and report back. If I'm
> > feeling energetic enough.
> >
> > Bruce
> > NJ
> >
> > >>> [email protected] 07/24/03 01:00PM >>>
> > <snip>
> >
> > Has anyone seen a "Blacksmiths Match" the Smith I learnt this
> > from
> > took a small diameter mild rod and hammered the end square and tapered
> > it round
> > while cold and he hit hard and very fast the heat generated was enough
> > to start
> > his fire. Saw him do it twice, I haven't been able to replicate it. We
> >
> > started his forge with sawdust/chips with 4 to 6 wooden kitchen matches
> > buried head
> > out. I still cant hit that rod hard and fast enough to light a match.
> >
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>Message: 3
>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:46:20 -0400
>From: [email protected]
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [TheForge] Air hammer
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>
>
>Thanks for the patent #. I really enjoied looking at the drawings. I am
>however desiring to better understand the double piston idea. Are you
>using two cylinders to lift the tup? Or are you using them to push it up as
>in the Kick Ass hammer? I really want to get away from relying on a
>compressor to to run the hammer as in the Kynion (sp) style hammers I've
>built before even though they work well, I still want to not run my sqeezer
>anymore than I must.
>
>Trusting HIM,
>Steve Rollert
>keenedgeknives.com
>doveknives.com
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>Message: 4
>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 10:58:44 -0700
>From: "A. Vida" <[email protected]>
>Organization: Proof Technologies
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TheForge] anvil pointing
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>
>
> On a few occasions I have been told I had my anvil oriented for
> a left hander. Never paid it any mind. For me, the horn to my
> right works better for curves. One thing I greatly respect in
> Peter Ross, beyond his high art, is that he always emphasizes
> that one size doesn't fit all in terms of how to perform any
> given operation. If you like your horn to the right, then place
> it that way. I don't think there are any rights or wrongs
> where things such as this are concerned. If it works for you
> and you're not injuring anyone, then that is the way you do it.
>
> Several years ago at Gichner's, one of the demonstrators went
> on and on about how there was only one right way to address
> the anvil (i.e. stand next to it), and any other way is simply
> WRONG. While I agree that such absolutes exist, they are few
> and far between, comparatively speaking. I would further
> suggest that anyone instructing another in this art should take
> care in urging folks to never deviate from a technique, that there
> is only ONE right way. I think some folks have to tailor a
> technique to their own best use.
>
>
>Jerry Frost wrote:
> >
> > Being almost entirely self taught, at least till I was introduced to
> > theforge and Artmetal lists nobody told me which way to point my anvil.
>So I
> > positioned it entirely depending on how well it worked for what I was
>doing
> > at the time.
> >
> > If I have a good solid floor I'll turn it to suit during heats. Right
>now
> > it's sitting on gravel so turning it tends to make it rock or tip so I
> > positioned it far enough away from anything I can work all round it as
> > suits.
> >
> > Reading George's description of the which/whys of pointing the horn I
> > realized it's for the same reasons I turn mine.
> >
> > So I find myself pointing the horn to the right for turning the
>decorative
> > stuff and to the left for the more industrial type work.
> >
> > Frosty
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>Message: 5
>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 11:15:47 -0700
>From: "A. Vida" <[email protected]>
>Organization: Proof Technologies
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TheForge] BS within BS
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>
>
>
>Peter Fels And Phoebe Palmer wrote:
> >
> > Oh Evelyn; She's a blacksmith and should be commended for using
> > profanity as seldom as she does. Profanity is within the normal range of
> > human expression and goes back before the founding of our language. The
> > context in which she applied it was well suited to exactly the feeling
> > she wished to communicate. Given the range and style of her interests
> > and accomplishments....it would be hard to argue that her IQ was in any
> > way lacking.
> > Priggery before the forge is an abomination...at least.
> > Perhaps you should take up chewing tobacco and learn to spit as
> > compensation?................Pete F
> >
> > Evelyn Hart wrote:
> >
> > >>philip,
> > >>
> > >>You show your I Q when you have to use profanity to describe the smoke
>from
> > >>your fire ( or any other item).
> > >>
> > >>Bobby Hart
>
> I would be interested to see the proof of the implied assertion
> that the use of so-called "profanity" links to IQ. It's amazing
> to see the degree to which people will invent from the thin air
> just to make some point. I also find it interesting that so many
> people will engage in such ad hominem attacks just because of
> differences of opinion. If I don't like the fact that someone
> uses language in a certain manner, how is it that I might find
> myself justified in judging them as being of low intelligence
> because of it? This constitutes a pretty glaring nonsequitur.
> And besides, it's kind of mean, don't you think? Perhaps not
> intentionally so, but mean in any event.
>
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>Message: 6
>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:56:36 -0400
>To: [email protected]
>From: Steve Bloom <[email protected]>
>Subject: [TheForge] Touch mark stamps
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>
>Greetings all --
>
> I've been asked to forward a request for information. Clyde Payton
>(FABA) wants to buy a touch mark stamp (anvil outline with 'Payton Forge'
>inside the outline). Apparently Centaur Forge has discontinued their
>source. Any suggestions for Cylde? I'll gather the comments, echo them to
>Cylde and back to the list just in case anyone needs the compilation.
>
>Steve
>Steve Bloom, IronFlower Forge. Archer, FL
> Webmaster for the FABA web site:
> www.blacksmithing.org
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>Message: 7
>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 12:06:26 -0700
>From: Ralph E Douglass <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TheForge] Touch mark stamps
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>
>Steve Bloom wrote:
> >
> > Greetings all --
> >
> > I've been asked to forward a request for information. Clyde Payton
> > (FABA) wants to buy a touch mark stamp (anvil outline with 'Payton
>Forge'
> > inside the outline). Apparently Centaur Forge has discontinued their
> > source. Any suggestions for Cylde? I'll gather the comments, echo them
>to
> > Cylde and back to the list just in case anyone needs the compilation.
>
>Seems the best bet is to find a local machineshop/tool&die place with an
>EDM and have them make it.
>
>Ralph
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>Message: 8
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TheForge] BS within BS
>From: "Reynolds" <[email protected]>
>Cc:
>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 15:07:51 -0400 (EDT)
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>
>
>
>We've been down this road before and your reasoning and logic is still
>.....lacking.
>
>Curse all you feel so motivated, but do so because you are boorish; don't
>justify your behavior because ancient civilizations did so.
>
>By your reasoning we should also engage in infant sacrifice because the
>Phoenicians did, after all they created the alphabet, were the first to
>predict a solar eclipse and invented glass! The Augustin and Flavian
>emperor families of Roman frequently engaged in incest by marrying sisters
>and nieces -- do you want to emulate that behavior too? Murder, lying and
>stealing were common in all ancient civilzations so I am left to presume
>you would advocate more of those behaviors, also.
>
>I was a world class swearing fool. But I did so because I was unable to
>control my anger and "everyone else did it." I wasn't doing so because it
>was a long human tradition.
>
>When your 13-year-old comes home and tells you one of his buddies got
>kicked out of school for smoking opium, are you going to tell him they were
>wrong to boot him because it is a long tradition in many cultures? I think
>not.
>
>You are probably a bang-up blacksmith, but as a logician you fail
>miserably. If you want to argue a point and use pitiful reasoning, expect
>to be excoriated.
>
>Reynolds
>
>
>
> --- On Fri 07/25, Bruce Freeman < [email protected] > wrote:
>From: Bruce Freeman [mailto: [email protected]]
>To: [email protected]
>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 08:43:54 -0400
>Subject: Re: [TheForge] BS within BS
>
>Apes have been raised to speak American sign language. When
>they're<br>upset with someone they often call him "dirty" using signs
>usually<br>reserved for excreta. So profanity goes a long way
>back!<br><br>>>> [email protected] 07/25/03 02:00AM >>><br><br>Profanity
>is within the normal range of <br>human expression and goes back before
>the founding of our language.
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>Message: 9
>From: "Roger R Degner" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: [TheForge] Touch mark stamps
>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:18:07 -0500
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>
>You can buy reverse letter/number stamps from MSC and make your own.
>The stamp alignment is easier to make with straight stock by having the
>stamp parent material clamped in a vise with another piece slightly
>taller to align the letters but with practice a good eye and a steady
>hand it could be done.
>OR
>The Rob Gunter way.
>Start with an Allen wrench and the same size Allen head cap screw. Cut
>the socked off the head of the screw and weld it into a fixture. Bolt
>the fixture to another piece of steel marking were the socket is.
>Unbolt the fixture and engrave/stamp your design there. Bolt back
>together. Heat the very end of the straightened Allen wrench with a
>torch again stressing only the very end, you don't want to upset the
>wrench into the socket. Place the headed wrench into the fixture
>striking 3 times. Unbolt, drive the wrench out, grind so it will fit
>the socket. Heat the end again and put it into the fixture making sure
>it is the same way as the first time strike 3 times and continue until
>it is deep enough. The stamp can be used cold into lead to test.
>
>Roger R Degner
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected]
>[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Steve Bloom
>Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 1:57 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: [TheForge] Touch mark stamps
>
>
>Greetings all --
>
> I've been asked to forward a request for information. Clyde Payton
>(FABA) wants to buy a touch mark stamp (anvil outline with 'Payton
>Forge'
>inside the outline). Apparently Centaur Forge has discontinued their
>source. Any suggestions for Cylde? I'll gather the comments, echo them
>to
>Cylde and back to the list just in case anyone needs the compilation.
>
>
>
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>Message: 10
>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:33:53 -0500
>To: [email protected]
>From: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TheForge] BS within BS
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>
> If you want to argue a point and use pitiful reasoning, expect to be
>excoriated.
> >
> >Reynolds
> >
>
>
>Excoriated?? I couldn't even find that one in my dictionary (don't bother I
>don't care that much). It sounds pretty bad tho...personally I'd rather
>just be told to go fuck myself.
>
>Now is that logical?
>
>Bob Schade (boorish?)
>
>btw the only power bad words have is that given them by those that don't
>like them. Thanks for keeping bad words bad cuz I sure as hell like using
>them.
>
>Damn!
>
>
>
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>Message: 11
>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:33:19 -0500
>From: Dragons Watch Forge <[email protected]>
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TheForge] Touch mark stamps
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>
>Uncle Al at Riverside Machine in DeQueen, AR. can get them, his url is:
>http://www.riversidemachine.net/
>
>Larry
>
>Steve Bloom wrote:
>
> > Greetings all --
> >
> > I've been asked to forward a request for information. Clyde Payton
> > (FABA) wants to buy a touch mark stamp (anvil outline with 'Payton
> > Forge' inside the outline). Apparently Centaur Forge has discontinued
> > their source. Any suggestions for Cylde? I'll gather the comments,
> > echo them to Cylde and back to the list just in case anyone needs the
> > compilation.
> >
> > Steve
> > Steve Bloom, IronFlower Forge. Archer, FL
> > Webmaster for the FABA web site:
> > www.blacksmithing.org
> >
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>Message: 12
>From: "D.E. (Donn) Barnes" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Subject: RE: [TheForge] anvil pointing
>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 14:32:26 -0500
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>
>Between myself and a friend down the road we own about 3 dozen anvils of
>various sizes and makers. Following this thread I thought I could use =
>all
>those anvils to do a very scientific double blind research project =
>(cause I
>can hardly see out of either eye) to determine the preferences of the =
>old
>area smiths and farriers. We lined them all up and examined them for =
>wear on
>the edges. The greatest majority had obviously been used with horn to =
>the
>right. The old Hay Budden I use, which came out of the old smithy on the
>square here in town, I keep with the horn to the left. This suits me, =
>but
>the old wear is all on the other side. Therefore I conclude that the old
>guys, at least around these parts, liked the horn to the right.
>
>Donn
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: [email protected] =
>[mailto:[email protected]]
>On Behalf Of A. Vida
>Sent: Friday, July 25, 2003 12:59 PM
>To: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TheForge] anvil pointing
>
>
>
> On a few occasions I have been told I had my anvil oriented for
> a left hander. Never paid it any mind. For me, the horn to my
> right works better for curves. One thing I greatly respect in
> Peter Ross, beyond his high art, is that he always emphasizes
> that one size doesn't fit all in terms of how to perform any
> given operation. If you like your horn to the right, then place
> it that way. I don't think there are any rights or wrongs=20
> where things such as this are concerned. If it works for you
> and you're not injuring anyone, then that is the way you do it.
>
> Several years ago at Gichner's, one of the demonstrators went
> on and on about how there was only one right way to address
> the anvil (i.e. stand next to it), and any other way is simply=20
> WRONG. While I agree that such absolutes exist, they are few=20
> and far between, comparatively speaking. I would further
> suggest that anyone instructing another in this art should take
> care in urging folks to never deviate from a technique, that there
> is only ONE right way. I think some folks have to tailor a=20
> technique to their own best use.
>
>
>Jerry Frost wrote:
> >=20
> > Being almost entirely self taught, at least till I was introduced to=20
> > theforge and Artmetal lists nobody told me which way to point my=20
> > anvil. So I positioned it entirely depending on how well it worked for =
>
> > what I was doing at the time.
> >=20
> > If I have a good solid floor I'll turn it to suit during heats. Right=20
> > now it's sitting on gravel so turning it tends to make it rock or tip=20
> > so I positioned it far enough away from anything I can work all round=20
> > it as suits.
> >=20
> > Reading George's description of the which/whys of pointing the horn I=20
> > realized it's for the same reasons I turn mine.
> >=20
> > So I find myself pointing the horn to the right for turning the=20
> > decorative stuff and to the left for the more industrial type work.
> >=20
> > Frosty
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>Message: 13
>Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2003 13:42:23 -0500
>To: [email protected]
>From: [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [TheForge] Touch mark stamps
>Reply-To: [email protected]
>
>http://www.harpermfg.com/hm_customknife.html
>
>
>
> >Greetings all --
> >
> > I've been asked to forward a request for information. Clyde Payton
> >(FABA) wants to buy a touch mark stamp (anvil outline with 'Payton Forge'
> >inside the outline). Apparently Centaur Forge has discontinued their
> >source. Any suggestions for Cylde? I'll gather the comments, echo them
>to
> >Cylde and back to the list just in case anyone needs the compilation.
> >
> >Steve
> >Steve Bloom, IronFlower Forge. Archer, FL
> > Webmaster for the FABA web site:
> > www.blacksmithing.org
> >
> >_______________________________________________
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