[TheForge] Sidearm Burner Parts

Thu Jan 16 01:45:00 2003

hello;

the sidearm burner i contructed was made with what locally is referred
to as an asymmetric tee and the 1/8 inch pipe is schedule 80 not
schedule 40. schedule 40 has too large internal diameter for cutting the
1/4-28 threads. the mig tip will slide right through 1/8 inch schedule
40 pipe.

note: it may be easier to find 1/8 inch brass pipe in schedule 80
      than 1/8 inch black pipe in schedule 80. red brass 1/8 inch
      schedule 80 is easier to find than yellow brass 1/8 inch
      schedule 80.

NPS    OD    Schedule       Wall        Inside    Weight
    (Inches) Designations   Thickness   Diameter  (lbs./ft.)
             (ANSI/ASME)    (Inches)    (Inches)
1/8  0.405   10/10S         0.049       0.307     0.1863
             Std./40/40S    0.068       0.269     0.2447
             XS/80/80S      0.095       0.215     0.3145

for 75 percent thread on 1/4-28 nf a number 3 drill is suggested.
a number 3 drill is 0.2130 inches in diameter.
1/8 inch schedule 80 works nicely.
1/8 inch schedule 40 will not work.

larry zoller's web page notes this:

http://www.geocities.com/zoellerforge/sidearm.html
<begin quote>
Here you can see the pipe plug drilled out for the 1/8"schedule 80 pipe
nipple and the contact tip.

Parts List
(1) 3/4" standard pipe 8 to 9 inches long with threads on one end.
(1) 1 1/4" x 3/4" x 1 1/4" std. black reducing tee.
(1) 1/8" x 3 1/2" schedule 80 pipe nipple
(1) 1 1/4" std. black pipe plug
(1) .035 or .045 Miller contact tip
(1) Stainless steel burner flare

Note: You need to tap one end of the 1/8" pipe with a 1/4"-28 N.F. tap
for the Miller contact tip, there is no need to drill it before tapping
the threads. 
<end   quote>

ron reil also notes that two other tees may be used:
<begin quote>
(It may be possible to use a smaller bell on the top end of the fitting
where the jet pipe enters, perhaps a 1" x 1-1/4" x 3/4" or even a 3/4" x
1-1/4" x 3/4" fitting. Ron)  

poor ascii picture:
           _ <- 1-1/4"
           |
3/4" -> |--+--| <- 1-1/4"

or
           _ <- 1-1/4"
           |
3/4" -> |--+--| <- 3/4"

or
           _ <- 1-1/4"
           |
3/4" -> |--+--| <- 1"
<end   quote>

i am still experiementing with the sidearm. it is difficult for me to
collect propane data since i have a high pressure propane piping system
in the shop which is fed by a 500 gallon bulk propane tank. based on
only my observations the sidearm burner and the original reil burners i
built are equal. that may have to more to do with the way i contructed
the original reil burners. i made a die set to press out the nozzles
from either stainless steel or black pipe. i also reamed the 3/4 pipe
to remove the weld seam.

On Wed, 15 Jan 2003, Steve Smith wrote:

steve> 
steve> This is interesting to hear. I'm still experimenting with the sidearm, 
steve> but the basic Reil burner works significantly better for me.
steve> 
steve> Steve Smith
steve> 

H and P Foster wrote:
harry> 
harry> Shannell,   However you do it, you are going to love the side arm design.  I
harry> changed over a couple of months ago and I can't believe the milage I am
harry> getting , and the best thing is, my CO meter has not let out a peep since
harry> the change-over.
harry> 
harry> Harry Foster
harry> 

shannell> -----Original Message-----
shannell> From: [email protected]
shannell> [mailto:[email protected]]On Behalf Of Shannell Sugrue
shannell> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 2:05 PM
shannell> To: [email protected]
shannell> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Sidearm Burner Parts
shannell> 
shannell> 
shannell> hmmmm mabey copper??
shannell> 
shannell> ----- Original Message -----
shannell> From: "Shannell Sugrue" <[email protected]>
shannell> To: <[email protected]>
shannell> Sent: 16 January, 2003 11:53 AM
shannell> Subject: Re: [TheForge] Sidearm Burner Parts
shannell> 
shannell> 
shannell> 
shannell> Well Ive found everything except the 1/8" pipe that the mig tip screws
shannell> into.
shannell> 1/8 and even 1/4 inch pipe doesnt seem to even exist here in south
shannell> Australia, amazing for a place that is supposed to be the engineering
shannell> capitol of Australia. I thought of using brake line but the wall is too
shannell> thin, anyone got any suggestions, 1/2" with a reducer for the tip might
shannell> work
shannell> 

-- 
Terry L. Ridder ><>