[TheForge] Recommendations on gas welding set

Sat Dec 20 22:34:01 2003

    Frosty, Sounds like you really like this unit.  I've never realized
there was a difference between a Henrob and an Allstates torch.  I've seen
the Henrob and wasn't all that impressed, but if you can cut sheet, cut
plate and machine after, and do localized heat on 1" stock with this
Allstates torch, then it is worth considering for sure.
        You mentioned a high price on initial purchase in your first post,
how much was the initial cost of this torch?  A nice Victor combo torch is
in the $475-525 range.......and like you say, those do eat the gases.

Ralph
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Frost" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Saturday, December 20, 2003 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Recommendations on gas welding set


> One last thing.
>
> The conversion tips and multi-fuel torches suck big time running propane.
> They're just not designed for it, they'll eat oxy at least twice as fast
as
> the same torch running acet and at least four times as fast as the All
> States torch. I know, I've used them and paid the bills. $$$
>
> The lowest you can reasonably set an acet regulator is around 2+/- lb.
When
> I'm piercing 4-5" the All States is running around 7 oz. of propane.
>
> I only have an 0 cutting tip and just by changing the regulator setting
(you
> only set the oxy, the propane is metered from a sealed regulator) I can
cut
> 20 gage without warping it or crank up the psi and pierce 4-5" of steel.
>
> Another thing oxy prop lets you do acet won't is machining a torch cut.
> Propane doesn't add carbon to the steel so I can pierce, let it cool and
> chase it out with a HS drill bit or torch off a chunk of rnd, chuck it in
my
> lathe and face it off with a HS cutter. I'm speaking of mild steel of
> course.
>
> The slag is also low carbon, very low and almost always cleans off with a
> quick scrape on a table edge, etc. I almost never have to grind slag off.
>
> One of the techniques you use with the All States cutting torch is rolling
> the tip. The oxy jet will cut cleanly up to 9" from the tip so for cuts
> shorter than say 10-12" you hold the torch in one place and roll it in
your
> hands to direct the oxy jet across your cut.
>
> After a little practice you'll find yourself cranking the pressure high
and
> going really fast. I can make a nice, straight clean cut in a piece of
1/2"
> x 12" in maybe 2-3 seconds, tops.
>
> There's no need for a fuel saver as it has a thumb valve on the body, set
it
> once for a job and light it when needed. You can get an auto-light (or
> could) so you don't have to mess with a striker but I just clip my trickle
> charger to the torch and ground it on the table. Flick the thumb valve and
> brush the tip on the table . . .POW it's going, properly adjusted and
ready
> for action.
>
> The "rosebud" or "Heater" (All States name for it) is smaller than the end
> of my middle finger and will melt 1 cu/in of steel in under 11 seconds.
>
> If you think you may want to use oxy acet, get a second rig. Don't
> compromise with a conversion or multi-fuel, they don't cut it.
>
> Frosty
> ------------------------
> If it ain't forged
> it ain't real.
> Wrought iron is.
> The FrostWorks
>
> Meadow Lakes, AK.
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