[TheForge] Scroll maker

Thu Dec 18 17:04:01 2003

Thanks for that, I found this page very interesting
http://www.heboe.com/heboe/heboege/produkte/biegewerkzeugeng.htm
I see how they make their dies now, with a hinge setup, looks like a bit of
work to make but could be done and with the right gearbox Im sure my big old
1hp motor would easily scroll 10mm hot, not sure by looking though wether
you would still need to start the scroll on the anvil or not? Im thinking
maybe a downward spiraling scroll tool might be easier to make, avoiding the
hinged part of the ones on the above page, then just flatten the scroll out
on the anvil, would take a little more control during the bend to keep the
steel tracking down the spiral but Im sure it would work ok.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Ries Niemi" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Friday, December 19, 2003 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Scroll maker

> Making lots of scrolls-
> Dave mudge suggested a hossfeld. As a hossfeld fan and supporter, I
> would have to say, nope, not a very good choice. Hossfeld makes a
> couple of scroll dies, neither of them very good. I have one, and have
> used it about twice. It only fits thin flat bar, and produces a
> particularly undistinguished scroll. I have seen the output of the Ram
> bender, as well, and I cant say I was very impressed with it either.
> Like the hossfeld, it makes a pretty wimpy scroll out of a few sizes of
> material. Okay for aluminum screen doors, not good enough for hand
> forged metalwork.
> If money was no object, what you would want to do would be buy a Hebo
> scroll jig. They make something like 25 different stock scroll dies.
> And they would undoubtedly make any custom die you wanted. But their
> machines are fiendishly expensive, made to order in germany, and take
> months to get here. And the dollar is dropping every day against the
> Euro.
> So what you want to do is copy the way their dies work. A decent scroll
> die is made to fit your material, and your desired curvature, with
> hinged pieces to extract the finished scroll.
> Then either use a motor, like a ram scroll bender does, or make a
> manual setup, like a hossfeld. Both are just different ways of applying
> force to the die. It is the die that makes all the difference.
> Hebo website is : www.heboe.com
> I have been having trouble getting it to load lately, but maybe it is
> just my browser. You could also call Robert Rayson, Hebo's US rep, at
> 503-658-2881 and get him to send you a catalog.
> Hebo makes a complete line of CNC, money is no object ornamental iron
> machines for twisting, scrolling, bending, surface texturing, bar end
> finishing, etc. All stuff you would swear has to be done by hand to
> look right, but the hebo stuff is so well engineered and thought out
> that it is routinely used in europe to make restoration quality
> ironwork for 500 year old buildings. A very interesting catalog to
> steal ideas from.
>
> ries
>
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