At 11:28 09/17/02 -0400, you wrote: >Have you considered suggesting carbide or diamond bits and lots of lube, or >is it more worthwhile to enjoy the entertainment? > >Phlip Gave him a number of alternatives, including annealing, but to no avail. He takes after me a little bit ... stubborn as a mule and about as thick headed. Dave "2 hours on the forge ... will save you 20 minutes with pencil and paper"