[TheForge] Upsetter & bender

Fri Jul 12 10:38:00 2002

Ralph,

I took a look in my copy of "A Historical Guide to Wagon Hardware &
Blacksmith Supplies" to see if this upsetter was in there.  They have one
pictured that was made by Star (pg 186)  that looks very similar.    They
call it an upsetter and welding machine.  It says that the #1 unit could
upset & weld up to 5X1-1/4 tires or axles up to 2-1/2" - weight 900 lbs.
They also list a #2 that could handle 7 x 1-1/2 tires or 3-1/2" axles -
weight 1200 lbs.  Both would upset in one revolution of the wheel.  The one
I looked at could be the smaller unit ... or maybe like your Champion.

WOW! - Heavier stock than I thought.

I did not realize they used these for welding.  Makes sense for axles but I
would think you'd have to be quick to do tires.

This machine looks like it would be great for upsetting.  I have a unit that
looks like a Schou's upsetter (pg 159 - "Wheel Making" Carriage Museum of
America).  I've tried to use that unit but the teeth on the dogs are too far
worn and need to be reworked.

Walt
-----Original Message-----
From: Ralph Sproul <[email protected]>
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Date: Friday, July 12, 2002 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Upsetter & bender

>        Walt,  I also came across an upsetter/shrinker in cleaning out an
>old wagon shop.  It has the adjustment to go out to take 3" stock and has a
>3 foot wheel on it that moves the table like you also saw in your find.
>        It is called a Champion #2 upsetter shrinker and I figured they
were
>for making the shoulders on the wagon axles ..........as well as alot of
>other things I can think of.
>        Would be interested in seeing the pictures you mentioned if you
come
>up with them.  Do you plan to post them to the photo site?  If so I could
do
>the same.
>        Of course I was in a hurry and broke one of the legs on this unit
as
>the guy was interested in closing the doors to go home and the building was
>to be torn down the next day.......  Too bad I snaped the corner leg, but
>the rest of the machine that bolts to the leg assembly is in really nice
>shape and I believe it would work well for upsetting large stock (I intend
>to try it on garden sculpture).
>
>Ralph Sproul - Bear Hill Blacksmith
>Webster, NH
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Walter L. Mullett" <[email protected]>
>To: <[email protected]>
>Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 8:58 AM
>Subject: [TheForge] Upsetter & bender
>
>
>> I found some interesteing equipment yesterday that came out of a wagon
>shop.
>> (Sorry - no camera)
>>
>> The first piece probably weighs 600 lbs, is on it's own set of 8-10"
steel
>> wheels and has a footprint of about 2' x 3'.  At first I thought it was a
>> tire shrinker but after inspection, I think it is an upsetter beccause it
>> doesn't have a curved bed.  The dog faces are about 4" high and look like
>> they will adjust to 1" or more.  The upsetting force is created from a
24"
>> spoked wheel that is geared to move 1/2 of the table.  I'd like to add
>this
>> one to my collection of 4 tire shrinkers.
>>
>> The second piece probably weighs 300lbs+.  It has a semicurlar 30" base
>that
>> 1/2 of the upper unit appears to be able to be turned around with a lever
>> arm.  The  other half of the upper unit has a vice with smooth vertical
6"
>> jaws that adjusts about 1" with the jaw at the circular base center.  I
>> think this is a sheet or bar bender that can work from 0-90 degrees.
I've
>> not seen anything like it befere.
>>
>> The owner wasn't home yesterday.  If I get to see them again, I'll try to
>> get some pictures.
>>
>> Walt
>>
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