hello; peter, thank you for the url. arcsmith.com is really smith equipment. national torch tip is also really smith equipment. :-( On Thu, 5 Dec 2002, Peter Fels and Phoebe Palmer wrote: peter> At 05:06 AM 12/5/02, you wrote: peter> peter> peter> peter> Discouraging. peter> See if this link for Nat. Torch Tips helps. peter> http://www.arcsmith.com/ntt/ peter> -- Terry L. Ridder ><>