[TheForge] Seattle Board Meeting Minutes Posted

[lama]

DAN ...do we have to go through all of this again? As far as the minutes, we
didn't hire a stenographer, and we did a big ritual where we burned all the
tapes,
it was great, you should have been there. So there is no three day long
transcript
of the meeting. Blacksmithing as a trade? How many full time 100%  income
earned
blacksmiths are there in the United States? In Louisiana there may be 3 or
4, hardly
enough to call it a trade. When did ABANA ever "micro manage" anything other
than their own budget?
Read it again: ( note the words "independent", "separate" & "legal
liability" )

"Such affiliates shall be deemed by ABANA to be legal entities separate from
and
 independent of ABANA. No activities of such affiliates, or their individual
members,
shall in any way be construed as creating any legal liability for ABANA or
it's
officers or directors. "

Look, I don't mind talking to anyone about anything. But I ain't no
lawyer.........
If you want to debate the legalities of this you need to talk to:
Jacoby, Bob  jacoby@southeast.net  and  Kagele, Jerry  kagele@aol.com
Bob is from Florida and Jerry is from Washington. Between them they cover
the
whole country. This is their department, it's what they do for a living. Ask
them.
I'm an artist/blacksmith for a living. Do you want to talk about something I
know about?
My job for the moment for ABANA is working with the Exhibits Committee for
the
2002 conference ( Chris Ray, Sorber, Colnik, Mastermier, NYSDB, members
gallery,
auction gallery, Over Seas Demonstrators gallery, juried exhibit, etc.) and
getting
cameras, monitors, lights, PA, video, web cams, telephones, computers,
e-mail,
radios or walkie-talkies & other stuff for the staff & the demonstrators for
the conference.
Dan you can see that I'm kinda busy, I would rather talk about something
that I know
a little about.
dave m.


----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Scheid <Damales@earthlink.net>
To: <theforge@mailman.qth.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 22, 2001 10:10 AM
Subject: Re: [TheForge] Seattle Board Meeting Minutes Posted


> ok Dave M you were there all three days and the minutes are brief and
don't
> carry the whole conversation. Is it ABANA's  job now to give support and
to
> promote blacksmithing as a trade and not micro manage the affiliates?
> Dan Scheid
>
> > 2001 Board Minutes Pg. 13
> > Affiliates
> > Section 1 - ABANA will serve as a forum for other organizations whose
> > primary purpose is to
> > promote blacksmithing. ABANA shall have no formal chapters or any such
> > relationship with any
> > organization which creates any legal liabilities for ABANA unless
> > specifically expressed in writing.
> > The charter provisions previously contained in these By-laws are hereby
> > revoked. The designation
> > of ABANA with blacksmith organizations and former chapters shall be as
> > affiliates. Such affiliates
> > shall be deemed by ABANA to be legal entities separate from and
> independent
> > of ABANA. No
> > activities of such affiliates, or their individual members, shall in any
> > way be construed as creating
> > any legal liability for ABANA or it's officers or directors. ABANA shall
> > continue to maintain
> > liaison, programs, and communication with such affiliates in furtherance
> of
> > the ABANA mission.
> > Section 2 - All former chapters of ABANA shall have the right to declare
> > themselves as affiliates of
> > or affiliated with ABANA. Such affiliates shall have the right to
promote
> > or participate in ABANA
> > programs.
> > Section 3 - ABANA shall maintain a list of those affiliates which it
> > recognizes as official affiliates
> > of ABANA. All former chapters of ABANA shall be automatically deemed to
be
> > affiliates of ABANA
> > without the need for further vote. Any other organization seeking
> > affiliation status with ABANA
> > shall require approval by a majority vote of the ABANA Board.
> > Section 4 - Nothing contained in these provisions shall be deemed to
> affect
> > individual
> > memberships in ABANA.
> > MOTION #11
> > Murray Lowe made a motion to accept the new wording for Article III-A of
> > the ABANA By-Laws.
> > Kirsten Skiles seconded the motion. PASSED UNANIMOUSLY.
> >