: When I grew up, I was always told, where there is smoke there is fire. : And maybe that smoke was just an optical illusion....... The problem with HAARP is that there isn't any smoke. Compare the power output of a 5 to 10 MW SW relay station transmitter running 24/7, that nobody has ever noticed, to the 4 MW output of HAARP that tries to do something. Zilch. Kurt