[Spooks] V2 and weird sounds

[Tom H]

Wow nice analysis there...

Good work.

73

Tom 
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> Unless someone has a letter of authenication from
> the operators of V2/M8, or has actually been to the
> studioes or transmitter site, it is all speculation
> anyway about who they are.  As it is with most of
> the other Enigma designations, isn't it?   Someone
> is going to have to drive up to the transmitter site
> and burn out his receiver's front end to actually
> know the real truth.  Someone says "I think that's
> Mossad" or "I think that's CIA" or "That may be KGB"
> and so it gets a name.  And then it becomes accepted
> as such, right?  But is it really?  
> 
> As to power, the very strong signals are typically
> just on very good antennas, with transmitter powers
> of from 1KW to 3KW.  No?  Listen to the ham bands. 
> Lots of hams are almost pinning S-meters with 100
> watt signals.  Why?  Propagation - the right path - 
> and antenna.  It is imagination that the numbers
> stations run super power.  Big antennas?  Not much
> larger than a mono-band HF beam for a ham.  In fact,
> a kilowatt and a good dipole at the correct height
> can radiate one heck of a signal.  
> 
> Couple of nights ago I monitored a marine net. 
> Almost all of the signals were a good S9 plus, some
> plus 10, some plus 30.  Yet these are boats, with
> 150 watt SSB transceivers, on compromise marine
> antennas.  
> 
> As to the various noises?  Like telephone noises? 
> Certainly sounds like someone is recording the
> message off the phone lines.  In real life it is
> probably never done that way.  Why?  Because it can
> be traced so easily, for one thing.  There are other
> reasons as well.  
> 
> One possibility, and in my mind the most likely one,
> is audio tapes (probably old open reel) that have
> not been properly erased.  Just for example, suppose
> I decide to record on a previously recorded tape.  I
> may not start at the same place, may start a minute
> or two further in.  If the tape was not really bulk
> erased by a very good eraser, there is still noise
> from the  previous recording.  So just suppose a
> tape that was used by Radio Havana, to record a
> phone conversation into the United States, possibly
> an interview of some Cuban in Amerca, a perfectly
> legitimate use, is now re-used without being
> thoroughly erased.  There's going to be all sorts of
> extraneous noises on it.  Not saying this is the
> case, but it would explain quickly how US phone call
> sounds got on a tape being made in a Havana studio. 
> 
> 
> Is it someone believing we want to believe what they
> want us to believe so they can believe we really
> believe it?  Not likely.  Why would they care?  We
> can't decipher it, we can't actually trace the
> signal, we sure can't read the message, and we can't
> determine who it's going to.  Nor can anyone else
> except the intended recipient.  And as noted in the
> first paragraph, we most likely can't tell who it's
> coming from, either.  Who would they be attempting
> to fool?  Cost a lot of money to fool a bunch of
> numbers hobbyists, and they sure wouldn't fool
> someone like NSA.  So there's no point in it that I
> can see.  
> 
> My guess, only a guess, is it is poorly erased audio
> tapes, probably old open reel types, maybe re-used
> dozens, if not hundreds, of times, and the bulk
> erasers available at the faciility just won't do the
> job.  Or they can't afford new tapes.  
> 
> But then, it's ALL a guess!   Happy hunting!
> 
> Cactus
> 
> 
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