[Spooks] Question about spy numbers

[Jon]

Really cool!

I read all of your replys... man that's pretty spooky how we don't know what
these stations are doing, etc.

You would have though spys and stuff were a thing of the past. At least I
would have (I'm only 19)

What's a popular frequency range for these types of stations? It's usually
HF I'd assume so it can travel long distances?

I'd like to buy a radio scanner that's capable of picking up the types of
frequencys these stations transmit on.

I also noticed a lot of the people on this list are ham's ;-)

73!
Jon
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It seems that the lower-tech encryption methods are more fail-safe.
Numbers, if generated in a truly random set such as piking them out of a hat
the way most lotteries choose winning numbers would create a constantly
changing random cypher that would be unbreakable.  Although you may have a
computer program that claims to generate a psuedo-random code, it is just
that- not truly random and there is some algorhythm behind it which may be
decoded by a third party. An amusing case of this involved an American game
show in the 1980's called Press Your Luck.  The players went around a
computer generated board to win prizes, but every so often a monster- a
Whammy- would show up and that player would be out.  One player had done his
homework and figured out a pattern to the Whammies- not so random.  He went
further than anyone else had.  They could't take his winnings because there
was no rule against what he had done.  Your packet may , like this game
board, have an algorhythm that someone else could break, but a low-tech,
truly random code like numbers are unbreakable, and constant- length
messages such as 200 blocks of 5 no matter the length of the actual text
ensure secrecy.
73
Dan Malloy, KA1RDZ
Everett, MA


Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2004 11:15:06 -0500
From: "Jon" <pcmanjon at swbell.net>
Subject: [Spooks] Question about spy numbers
To: "Shortwave Spy Numbers Stations" <spooks at mailman.qth.net>
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So are these numbers we pick up actual spys or something secretive?

What's the purpose of these things?

They use enigma, enigma codes can be cracked in this day and age, can't
they?

Why do they still use radio instead of a more reliable way to send
information?

Encrypted packet radio would even be better

thanks...
jon

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