[SOC] This is What I'm Talkin' About!

[w9ya]

Actually parts of this email were NOT dumb. Sorry OM, but I agree that
demonstrating a willingness to put up a good fight is a deterrent. In fact
it works well no matter where you find criminals. (I know).....(Of course
using the right tools is a part of that strategy as well.)

You will have to do MUCH better than the email below to be SOC about things
OM.

Vy 72;

Bob
w9ya


On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 3:37 AM, S.Nordenstroem <sm3dyu at ji-net.com> wrote:

> Just to be perfectly SOC, "In Australia we don't have criminals running
> amok" does not mean they don't exist, just that they don't kill to get their
> loot. They are unarmed and probably do burglary the old fashion way by
> entering through windows with a bag over the shoulder and loot your
> valuables not your lives.
>
> Yes there are different kind of criminals depending on where you live, some
> are armed and shoot first and ask after, while others are not the
> Rambo-type. Here in HS we deter the would-be-burglars by having a few dogs.
> Thai's have a great respect for dogs and do not even try to enter a house
> that have a dog or two. Not that the dogs are trained Pit-bulls or the
> likes, just the fact that there are dogs around is enough for them to look
> for an easier target. In my 32 years in this house I have never had any
> burglary, but my neighbors that does not have dogs have been looted several
> times.
>
> As an analogy to this, during my active life at sea, I have been passing
>  pirate infested waters hundreds of times and only once been attacked. The
> reason was that the captain at that particular instance refused to have any
> deterrents set up, so we were going with all lights out and he was hoping
> not to be detected. He soon realized that the pirates have radars too. As
> the only ship sneaking around blacked out, we were attacked! Luckily we had
> a former marine on deck watch at that time and he managed to wrestle the two
> pirates that tried to enter the ship over the side and dumped them into the
> sea. The attack was called off and that was the end of it. Normally we pass
> these waters with all lights on including deck lights and rigged fire hoses,
> spraying a fog of water over the sides. This will not in any way stop a
> pirate attack as they are hardly afraid of water, but it will tell them that
> we are prepared and that works as a deterrent, same as with a few dogs in
> the garden. Commercial ships are unarmed for many reasons and the standing
> orders are not to fight back, if the pirates are already in the
> accommodation. We are to make this as difficult as possible but if the doors
> are breached, we are to cooperate and give them what they demand in order to
> save lives.
>
> What have all this to do with guns or no guns? Guess it have to do with the
> attitude of the criminal. With a gun in your pocket you feel like Rambo and
> will most likely "run amok" as Ian put it. With no guns in the picture you
> will be a lot more careful and try to do your crime undetected and are not
> likely to do any harm to anybody. As far as pirates, yes they are armed but
> if they do not meet any armed resistance, they are very unlikely to shoot.
>
> Whether the crime rate goes down or up is not really relevant, what is
> relevant is the amount of injuries and deaths related to crimes and in this
> context a gun does make a huge difference.
>
> Now, I have done my bit in producing a "dumb" e-mail. Your turn Bob!
>
>
>
> 73's
> Sam
>
>
> w9ya wrote:
>
>> Yeah in fact Ian did say as much; And I quote;
>>
>> "And your point is? In Australia we simply do not have criminals running
>> amok. Similarly other countries such as UK, Canada, New Zealand and most
>> if not all European Union countries."
>>
>> (To which I gleefully reply; Rubbish, pure rubbish...the crime rate is
>> going
>> down here in the US and is going up elsewhere.)
>>
>> Statistics aside (and they would be if you are ever the object of crime);
>> this nonsense you choose to spout is nothing but pure amusement ya' all -
>> amusement by people trying to suggest that the rest of the world does NOT
>> have a problem with crime, or that somehow their criminals are of a better
>> class that will not harm you and so forth continues .... to the person
>> affected adversely by a criminal act you guys sound like SOCs for sure.
>>
>>
>> Vy 72 and please keep up the wonderfully dumb emails about this ...... ;
>>
>> - Bob
>> w9ya
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:43 AM, S.Nordenstroem <sm3dyu at ji-net.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> This so SOC I have to break in...
>>>
>>> Ian did not say there was no crime problems in Oz or EU for that matter.
>>> It
>>> certainly is, but they are normally not armed with guns as that is
>>> something
>>> reasonably hard to get, unlike US where a driving license is the only
>>> required documentation. In SM, to have a hunting rifle you must pass a
>>> yearly shooting test to qualify for the elk-hunt. This is mainly to weed
>>> out
>>> the blind, as numerous tractors and cows have been attacked by half-blind
>>> old hunters.
>>> To get a hand-gun license you have to be a member of a shooting club that
>>> certifies your good standing in society. Guns and rifles have to be
>>> stored
>>> in locked gun-racks or safes, or the weapon must be dismantled and
>>> critical
>>> parts kept under lock.
>>>
>>> There are plenty of criminals around but not armed criminals as the
>>> targets
>>> are seldom or never armed, hence no need to be armed.
>>>
>>> The Aussies have a somewhat different view on criminals, based on their
>>> history but still the nation is very much built up the same as US, by
>>> immigrants. They started out with no guns in hand and have continued from
>>> there to build a nation where one do not need to lock the car for a dash
>>> to
>>> the 7-11. New Zealand have a reputation of completely unlocked doors in
>>> private homes (yes even the bathroom). Must be a nightmare to be a
>>> lock-smith there!!
>>>
>>> My 2 satang (thai very small coin) worth.
>>>
>>> Sam
>>> HS0ZDY
>>>
>>>
>>