[SOC] This is What I'm Talkin' About!

Tue Oct 13 03:21:48 EDT 2009

Yeah in fact Ian did say as much; And I quote;

"And your point is? In Australia we simply do not have criminals running
amok. Similarly other countries such as UK, Canada, New Zealand and most
if not all European Union countries."

(To which I gleefully reply; Rubbish, pure rubbish...the crime rate is going
down here in the US and is going up elsewhere.)

Statistics aside (and they would be if you are ever the object of crime);
this nonsense you choose to spout is nothing but pure amusement ya' all -
amusement by people trying to suggest that the rest of the world does NOT
have a problem with crime, or that somehow their criminals are of a better
class that will not harm you and so forth continues .... to the person
affected adversely by a criminal act you guys sound like SOCs for sure.

Vy 72 and please keep up the wonderfully dumb emails about this ...... ;

- Bob
w9ya

On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 12:43 AM, S.Nordenstroem <sm3dyu at ji-net.com> wrote:

> This so SOC I have to break in...
>
> Ian did not say there was no crime problems in Oz or EU for that matter. It
> certainly is, but they are normally not armed with guns as that is something
> reasonably hard to get, unlike US where a driving license is the only
> required documentation. In SM, to have a hunting rifle you must pass a
> yearly shooting test to qualify for the elk-hunt. This is mainly to weed out
> the blind, as numerous tractors and cows have been attacked by half-blind
> old hunters.
> To get a hand-gun license you have to be a member of a shooting club that
> certifies your good standing in society. Guns and rifles have to be stored
> in locked gun-racks or safes, or the weapon must be dismantled and critical
> parts kept under lock.
>
> There are plenty of criminals around but not armed criminals as the targets
> are seldom or never armed, hence no need to be armed.
>
> The Aussies have a somewhat different view on criminals, based on their
> history but still the nation is very much built up the same as US, by
> immigrants. They started out with no guns in hand and have continued from
> there to build a nation where one do not need to lock the car for a dash to
> the 7-11. New Zealand have a reputation of completely unlocked doors in
> private homes (yes even the bathroom). Must be a nightmare to be a
> lock-smith there!!
>
> My 2 satang (thai very small coin) worth.
>
> Sam
> HS0ZDY
>
>
>
> w9ya wrote:
>
>> I COULD refute that which you spout, including that the UK (for instance)
>> has no crime problem, (or that it is less now that they got "rid" of their
>> guns, and so forth,) but these are your myths and they merely validate
>> what
>> I originally said; You are full of it and need to have along talk with
>> yourself about the nature of some (the criminals) amongst the human race.
>> i.e. The lack of crime is a myth, that criminals behave differently
>> depending on where they are, or that there is ANY way to prevent it by
>> ignoring that it takes place.
>>
>> Anyways I am enjoying your confusion about people and the way they behave,
>> so perhaps you should continue your rant about things for my amusement !!
>>
>>
>> Have a NICE day OM.
>>
>> es Vy 72 de
>>
>> - Bob
>> w9ya
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 12, 2009 at 8:47 PM, Ian C. Purdie <
>> ianpurdie at integritynet.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> w9ya wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> This guy is full of it....and he should probably have an honest talk
>>>> with
>>>> himself about it...
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well Bob that could be construed as a nice introduction to civilised and
>>> rational discussion.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> i.e. EVERYWHERE there are criminals who will steal what
>>>> is not theirs including another's life.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> And your point is? In Australia we simply do not have criminals running
>>> amok. Similarly other countries such as UK, Canada, New Zealand and most
>>> if not all European Union countries. Speaking for Australia alone, I
>>> don't lock my house, I don't lock my car. I don't live my life in fear
>>> of anything. I don't personally know anyone else who does.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> History and the wisdom attained from an honest appraisal tells us
>>>> EXACTLY
>>>>
>>>>
>>> that.
>>>
>>> I see absolutely no history of that in Australia nor in the other
>>> countries I mentioned. None of us are perfect, none of us are crime free
>>> and never will be. But we don't live with constant fear.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ALSO there are a class of folks that will happily decide for YOU whether
>>>>
>>>>
>>> you have the god-given right to protect that which is yours, including
>>> your
>>> life
>>>
>>> Who would those folks be in Australia? Would they be the huge majority
>>> who do not ever want a gun culture? Nobody here is denied the right to
>>> protect themselves.
>>>
>>> We simply don't see a problem where one doesn't exist.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> those societies will destroy themselves because of such tyranny, again
>>>>
>>>>
>>> something history teaches if you take the trouble to read and study
>>>
>>> Not Australia nor probably the other countries mentioned earlier are
>>> they likely to destroy themselves. Australia is most certainly not
>>> tearing itself apart politically from within.
>>>
>>> Among all the advanced countries in the world, for all practical
>>> purposes, 100% of all eligible Australian people vote in fair elections
>>> and everyone abides by the result - with good grace and manners.
>>>
>>> Among all OECD countries, we don't even have a recession. We don't have
>>> dodgy Banks or dodgy Insurance companies because we don't have a lack of
>>> good prudential regulation. We have a world class and very cheap
>>> universal health care system. Cost? - 1.5% of taxable income. We
>>> continually embrace reform and good governance no matter which party is
>>> in government.
>>>
>>> So where is the need for fear?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> And so it goes......NOTHING NEW HERE, NOW MOVE ALONG......
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Well this is not a "Fox News" forum where they shout. No doubt you will
>>> inform us upon what basis you can conclude to inform me to:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> NOW MOVE ALONG......
>>>>
>>>>
>>> You know nothing of me, my background or my history with this list.
>>> Because people do not agree with the views circulating in your little
>>> section of the world, it doesn't make them wrong, just simply different.
>>>
>>>
>>> 72/73's
>>>
>>> Ian C. Purdie
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