[SMCARA] SMCARA Digest, Vol 146, Issue 11

Thu Jun 23 13:06:51 EDT 2016

I had the problem of ethanol gumming the carburetor on my 2-stroke outboard.  After spending $500 on repairs, Francis Guy at Guy Marine told me the permanent solution...Marine Stabil. It has not missed a stroke in 3 years.  I add it to all my gas tanks now.  My generator starts on one pull.  (Too, starting it and running it every 2 weeks or so makes sure it is ready.  Marty. KB3ZIX
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>   1. Re: Field Day Follies (N1LID)
>   2. Field day food list (Eric Heard)
>   3. Re: Field Day Follies (A.J. Farmer)
>   4. Re: Field Day Follies (Rene Ramirez)
>   5. Re: Field Day Follies (jpsmith)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2016 19:58:54 -0400
>From: "N1LID" <nonelidd at gmail.com>
>To: "'SMCARA'" <smcara at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [SMCARA] Field Day Follies
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>Thanks for running it to ground (no pun intended) Tom!
>
>Boz
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>-----Original Message-----
>From: SMCARA [mailto:smcara-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Tom
>Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 7:57 PM
>To: SMCARA
>Subject: [SMCARA] Field Day Follies
>
>Well, Lads and Lassies, today was almost exciting!  I drove to the base and
>picked up the generator and brought it home for a test run.
>
>After dusting off the cobwebs and critter deposits, I topped up the oil and
>filled the tank with fresh petrol. It had been drained after the last use
>which was 2-3 years ago. Sta-bil works great 1 Right?
>
>A few quick pulls...and then some more.....and more.  DARN! (or words to
>that effect!). OK, we have gas, so lets see if we have spark.  A quick shot
>of ether (starting fluid) into the carb and she lit right off- for about 3
>seconds! Spark is OK.
>
>OK, lets trace it out; fuel in the tank-ok, fuel in the fuel line-ok, fuel
>in the carburetor bowl-ok. AHA! no fuel in the throat of the carb! 
>Let's pull the carb and put it on the bench.
>
>Long story, longer, after field stripping the carb and I discovered the main
>jet was clogged with gooey brown stuff! Now I know you folks who are clever
>with small engines are guffawing right now! 2-3 year old gas, not completely
>out of the carb = varnish clogged jets, what did you expect there W4OKW??
>
>Put it all back together and it fired up with ONE pull of the starter!
>
>Lessons Learned:
>1.  Use STA-BIL, but don't expect it to work on really old gas.
>2.  Before you put it up for the winter, drain the gas and run it until it
>dies of fuel starvation. That should get the gooey stuff out of the jets.
>3.  Rebuilding/cleaning a card is dirty, stinky work.
>
>Have a great time at FD2016!
>
>73 Tom/W4OKW
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>Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 04:06:46 +0200
>From: "Eric Heard" <n3uh at usa.com>
>To: SMCARA <smcara at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: [SMCARA] Field day food list
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>I will bring coffee and coffee pots et.al.
>Eric
>73 de N3UH, California, MD USA<br>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 08:45:31 -0400
>From: "A.J. Farmer" <farmer.aj at gmail.com>
>To: Tom <w4okw at md.metrocast.net>
>Cc: SMCARA <smcara at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [SMCARA] Field Day Follies
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>Gooey brown sludge in fuel line or carb is likely due to Ethanol that has
>fallen out of suspension. It's happening to boaters a lot these days.
>
>I'd recommend adding Sta-bil Marine version which has an Ethanol stabilizer
>to every tank in the generator.  Not just for storage - for every fill up.
>
>A.J.
>
>On Wednesday, June 22, 2016, Tom <w4okw at md.metrocast.net> wrote:
>
>> Well, Lads and Lassies, today was almost exciting!  I drove to the base
>> and picked up the generator and brought it home for a test run.
>>
>> After dusting off the cobwebs and critter deposits, I topped up the oil
>> and filled the tank with fresh petrol. It had been drained after the last
>> use which was 2-3 years ago. Sta-bil works great 1 Right?
>>
>> A few quick pulls...and then some more.....and more.  DARN! (or words to
>> that effect!). OK, we have gas, so lets see if we have spark.  A quick shot
>> of ether (starting fluid) into the carb and she lit right off- for about 3
>> seconds! Spark is OK.
>>
>> OK, lets trace it out; fuel in the tank-ok, fuel in the fuel line-ok, fuel
>> in the carburetor bowl-ok. AHA! no fuel in the throat of the carb! Let's
>> pull the carb and put it on the bench.
>>
>> Long story, longer, after field stripping the carb and I discovered the
>> main jet was clogged with gooey brown stuff! Now I know you folks who are
>> clever with small engines are guffawing right now! 2-3 year old gas, not
>> completely out of the carb = varnish clogged jets, what did you expect
>> there W4OKW??
>>
>> Put it all back together and it fired up with ONE pull of the starter!
>>
>> Lessons Learned:
>> 1.  Use STA-BIL, but don't expect it to work on really old gas.
>> 2.  Before you put it up for the winter, drain the gas and run it until it
>> dies of fuel starvation. That should get the gooey stuff out of the jets.
>> 3.  Rebuilding/cleaning a card is dirty, stinky work.
>>
>> Have a great time at FD2016!
>>
>> 73 Tom/W4OKW
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>Message: 4
>Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 09:08:00 -0400
>From: Rene Ramirez <w3bnyren at gmail.com>
>To: "A.J. Farmer" <farmer.aj at gmail.com>
>Cc: Tom <w4okw at md.metrocast.net>, SMCARA <smcara at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [SMCARA] Field Day Follies
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>Correct.  Even with Sta-Bil marine about the max time frame that you can
>keep fuel in the tank is about 2 years tops!  After having to do carb
>rip-outs and jet cleaning on my snowblower and tiller, I learned my lesson
>and do the drain the tank and run it until it dies method of storage.  Once
>you do a fill up with fresh fuel and prime it, starts on first pull!
>
>Now if we as a nation weren't so "diesel-phobic" you can store that fuel
>for so much longer (provided you use RACOR biocide)
>
>On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 8:45 AM, A.J. Farmer <farmer.aj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Gooey brown sludge in fuel line or carb is likely due to Ethanol that has
>> fallen out of suspension. It's happening to boaters a lot these days.
>>
>> I'd recommend adding Sta-bil Marine version which has an Ethanol stabilizer
>> to every tank in the generator.  Not just for storage - for every fill up.
>>
>> A.J.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016, Tom <w4okw at md.metrocast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Well, Lads and Lassies, today was almost exciting!  I drove to the base
>> > and picked up the generator and brought it home for a test run.
>> >
>> > After dusting off the cobwebs and critter deposits, I topped up the oil
>> > and filled the tank with fresh petrol. It had been drained after the last
>> > use which was 2-3 years ago. Sta-bil works great 1 Right?
>> >
>> > A few quick pulls...and then some more.....and more.  DARN! (or words to
>> > that effect!). OK, we have gas, so lets see if we have spark.  A quick
>> shot
>> > of ether (starting fluid) into the carb and she lit right off- for about
>> 3
>> > seconds! Spark is OK.
>> >
>> > OK, lets trace it out; fuel in the tank-ok, fuel in the fuel line-ok,
>> fuel
>> > in the carburetor bowl-ok. AHA! no fuel in the throat of the carb! Let's
>> > pull the carb and put it on the bench.
>> >
>> > Long story, longer, after field stripping the carb and I discovered the
>> > main jet was clogged with gooey brown stuff! Now I know you folks who are
>> > clever with small engines are guffawing right now! 2-3 year old gas, not
>> > completely out of the carb = varnish clogged jets, what did you expect
>> > there W4OKW??
>> >
>> > Put it all back together and it fired up with ONE pull of the starter!
>> >
>> > Lessons Learned:
>> > 1.  Use STA-BIL, but don't expect it to work on really old gas.
>> > 2.  Before you put it up for the winter, drain the gas and run it until
>> it
>> > dies of fuel starvation. That should get the gooey stuff out of the jets.
>> > 3.  Rebuilding/cleaning a card is dirty, stinky work.
>> >
>> > Have a great time at FD2016!
>> >
>> > 73 Tom/W4OKW
>> > ______________________________________________________________
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>Message: 5
>Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2016 10:24:50 -0400
>From: jpsmith <jpsmith at md.metrocast.net>
>To: Rene Ramirez <w3bnyren at gmail.com>, "A.J. Farmer"
>	<farmer.aj at gmail.com>
>Cc: SMCARA <smcara at mailman.qth.net>
>Subject: Re: [SMCARA] Field Day Follies
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>I have a 3300 watt gen that I can bring. ?Jim N3NV
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><div>-------- Original message --------</div><div>From: Rene Ramirez <w3bnyren at gmail.com> </div><div>Date:06/23/2016  9:08 AM  (GMT-05:00) </div><div>To: "A.J. Farmer" <farmer.aj at gmail.com> </div><div>Cc: SMCARA <smcara at mailman.qth.net> </div><div>Subject: Re: [SMCARA] Field Day Follies </div><div>
></div>Correct.  Even with Sta-Bil marine about the max time frame that you can
>keep fuel in the tank is about 2 years tops!  After having to do carb
>rip-outs and jet cleaning on my snowblower and tiller, I learned my lesson
>and do the drain the tank and run it until it dies method of storage.  Once
>you do a fill up with fresh fuel and prime it, starts on first pull!
>
>Now if we as a nation weren't so "diesel-phobic" you can store that fuel
>for so much longer (provided you use RACOR biocide)
>
>On Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 8:45 AM, A.J. Farmer <farmer.aj at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Gooey brown sludge in fuel line or carb is likely due to Ethanol that has
>> fallen out of suspension. It's happening to boaters a lot these days.
>>
>> I'd recommend adding Sta-bil Marine version which has an Ethanol stabilizer
>> to every tank in the generator.  Not just for storage - for every fill up.
>>
>> A.J.
>>
>> On Wednesday, June 22, 2016, Tom <w4okw at md.metrocast.net> wrote:
>>
>> > Well, Lads and Lassies, today was almost exciting!  I drove to the base
>> > and picked up the generator and brought it home for a test run.
>> >
>> > After dusting off the cobwebs and critter deposits, I topped up the oil
>> > and filled the tank with fresh petrol. It had been drained after the last
>> > use which was 2-3 years ago. Sta-bil works great 1 Right?
>> >
>> > A few quick pulls...and then some more.....and more.  DARN! (or words to
>> > that effect!). OK, we have gas, so lets see if we have spark.  A quick
>> shot
>> > of ether (starting fluid) into the carb and she lit right off- for about
>> 3
>> > seconds! Spark is OK.
>> >
>> > OK, lets trace it out; fuel in the tank-ok, fuel in the fuel line-ok,
>> fuel
>> > in the carburetor bowl-ok. AHA! no fuel in the throat of the carb! Let's
>> > pull the carb and put it on the bench.
>> >
>> > Long story, longer, after field stripping the carb and I discovered the
>> > main jet was clogged with gooey brown stuff! Now I know you folks who are
>> > clever with small engines are guffawing right now! 2-3 year old gas, not
>> > completely out of the carb = varnish clogged jets, what did you expect
>> > there W4OKW??
>> >
>> > Put it all back together and it fired up with ONE pull of the starter!
>> >
>> > Lessons Learned:
>> > 1.  Use STA-BIL, but don't expect it to work on really old gas.
>> > 2.  Before you put it up for the winter, drain the gas and run it until
>> it
>> > dies of fuel starvation. That should get the gooey stuff out of the jets.
>> > 3.  Rebuilding/cleaning a card is dirty, stinky work.
>> >
>> > Have a great time at FD2016!
>> >
>> > 73 Tom/W4OKW
>> > ______________________________________________________________
>> > SMCARA mailing list
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>> > Message delivered to farmer.aj at gmail.com
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