[SMCARA] FTdx-3000 Question

Wed Nov 5 11:55:17 EST 2014

I agree with Tom, thanks Grant for that answer. I can't believe the
processor would drive the radio that hard even at the lower settings. I do
seem to remember a discussion either on Ham Nation or On-Air about the use
of radio processors and how we should set it up for the ideal audio quality
but don't engage it until it is needed to give your signal that extra punch.
I will have to remember this when I get my hands on another FTDX-3000.

HAVE FUN!

Dan

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Tom AIR4.0P NATOPS
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What a succinct and reasoned explanation!  Thanks, Grant.

I have always felt that over use of the processor function in our radios is
the reason for such lousy sounding signals that abound on our bands.
Trying to make an SSB signal sound like a studio quality FM broadcast is an
unnatural act also!

If you have the ability (equipment) to monitor your transmitted signal on a
scope, you can tell a lot about how it will sound.  The flat-topping and
spur generation from the AKTR ( all knobs to the right!) advocates makes
life trying on the HF bands.  A quick look at the scope as you adjust the
amount of processing will help you to a good sounding signal.  ALC is a tool
to help you from overdriving the PA in your rig.  If you hit the PA too
hard, the ALC will "throttle back" the drive to prevent the bad things from
happening.  Anytime the ALC is above the recommended level, you are turning
the rig into a compressor.  Remember, as Grant said, your output meter
involves inertia/ballistics and will only indicate 20-30 percent of the
power that is actually "going up the coax"!  If you try to drive the meter
up to a 100 watts on a 100 watt rig, you are overdriving the "you know what"
out of it.  If you want a mind-numbing project, go get a Handbook and read
up on PEP and the math  behind it!

The FM crowd is not exempt from this "tomfoolery" either.  Resist the urge
to use that old CB power mike on your shiny new FM rig.  Stick with the
factory mike or at least try to match impedances and levels from any
replacement mike.  We probably should hold a "deviation" session at one of
our meetings.  A good commercial deviation meter will help "level the
playing field" as the politicians love to say.  Nothing is worse than having
to "ride the volume" control due to differences in levels from the various
users.

Lest I come across as too "curmudgeonly", there is no problem with having a
rack of studio audio gear and $500 dollar microphones, but please use a
scope and adjust accordingly.  If you solicit an audio report from someone,
ask them to be honest!  I have heard folks give glowing audio reports to a
signal that is distorted, overdriven, and with restricted bandwidth (i.e.,
tinny, too bassy, etc).  Some of the newer radios have an "equalizer"
function that can be adjusted to your voice.  A few minutes listening to the
monitor function of your transceiver or with the help of an honest on the
air assistant will do great things for your audio.

Tom/W4OKW

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From: SMCARA [mailto:smcara-bounces at mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Grant
Farrand via SMCARA
Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2014 7:01 PM
To: jbr13 at md.metrocast.net; SMCARA
Subject: Re: [SMCARA] FTdx-3000 Question

Hi Jason,
I run my FTDX 3000 with the Yaesu MD200 mic or a computer type headset/mic.
I run the mic gain at 25 on the MD200 and at 20 on the computer headset, and
at this setting my ALC mostly stays on zero and only moves off the zero mark
if I talk very close into the mic. I do not believe in using the processor
except for maybe some rear DX. The processor just overdrives everything.

Unless you are looking at your signal with a scope, you will not see what
your radio is really putting out on SSB. It is just to fast for a analog
meter to show it. I know some analog meters have a avg/peak setting but they
still respond to slow to show your true output reading. If you show a 100
watts in CW key down, you will have a 100 watts in SSB, you just wont see it
on the meter.

Listen to my radio on the Virginia Fone Net and you will see what a mic gain
of 25 with no ALC movement and no processor sound like.

73

and.... In God We Trust !!!

Grant Farrand

gmfarrand at yahoo.com

Amateur  Call sign W4GMF

Virginia Fone Net #29

W4GMF Westmoreland Co.Repeater Sponsor  146.895mhz  (-)  pl tone 146.2

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Subject: [SMCARA] FTdx-3000 Question

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Hello all,  I run my FTdx-3000 at 100W output, with a Heil Mic, and have
tweeked my EQ and Para EQ settings.  I am running 25 Mic Gain, and 45 on the
Proc.  I have talked with several guys that know my voice and they report
this sounds great.  I also constantly get reports that my audio sounds great
from DX stations.  My problem is my ALC is usually running over the top of
the ALC line on the meter.  It is different on most bands, but always over
the line. On 10M and 15M it is higher than most. I have tried to back the
Mic Gain and Proc down to get ALC down some, but I have to pretty much turn
my Mic Gain to 10, and Proc to 15 to get it to dip much at all. Plus when I
turn both down, I see my output power drop 10-30 Watts. My optimized G5RV is
about 40 feet from the radio outside.  I am not sure what is cuasing the ALC
to be a little high.  I have turned back all the EQ sittings to defaults and
turned off Processor, and Mic EQ, ALC drops close to peak ALC line, but
audio really drops off, as well as a drop in power out.

    I put a MFJ inline Isolator/ current bulan inline at the antenna this
past weekend, but that changed nothing.

    Ideas, Comments???
    N3YUG Jason Rearick
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